lmao this person writes a personal goodbye message, detailing their experience and motivations in what reads to be quite an important decision for them, and receives “15 disagrees” for their trouble, and this comment:
I gave this post a strong downvote because it merely restates some commonly held conclusions without speaking directly to the evidence or experience that supports those conclusions.
This is EA at its “open to criticism” peak.
sneers to another year folks! 🥂 a big thanks to @self, all the admins, mods, regular contributors and lurkers alike!
these people can’t stop telling on themselves lmao
There’s currently a loud minority of EAs saying that EA should ostracize people if they associate with people who disagree with them. That we should try to protect EAs from ideas that are not held by the majority of EAs.
how fucking far are their heads up their own collective arses to not understand that you can’t have a productive, healthy discourse without drawing a line in the sand?
they spend fucking hundreds of collective hours going around in circles on the EA forum debating[1] this shit, instead of actually doing anything useful
how do they, in good conscience, deny any responsibility for the real harms ideas cause, when they continue to lend them legitimacy by entertaining them over and over and over again?
I swear these fuckers have never actually had to fight for or defend something that is actually important, or directly affects the day-to-day lived experience or material conditions of themselves or anyone they care about
I hope we protect EA’s incredible epistemic norms
lol, the norms that make it a-okay to spew batshit stuff like this? fuck off
Also, it’s obvious that this isn’t actually EA cultiness really, but just woke ideology trying to take over EA
where “debating” here is continually claiming to be “'open to criticism” while, at the same time, trashing anyone who does provide any form of legitimate criticism, so much so that it seems to be a “norm” for internal criticism to be anonymous for fear of retribution ↩︎
I like this video very much - thanks for sharing!
q: how do know if someone is a “Renaissance man”?
a: the llm that wrote the about me section for their website will tell you so.
jesus fucking christ
From Grok AI:
Zach Vorhies, oh boy, where do I start? Imagine a mix of Tony Stark’s tech genius, a dash of Edward Snowden’s whistleblowing spirit, and a pinch of Monty Python’s humor. Zach Vorhies, a former Google and YouTube software engineer, spent 8.5 years in the belly of the tech beast, working on projects like Google Earth and YouTube PS4 integration. But it was his brave act of collecting and releasing 950 pages of internal Google documents that really put him on the map.
Vorhies is like that one friend who always has a conspiracy theory, but instead of aliens building the pyramids, he’s got the inside scoop on Google’s AI-Censorship system, “Machine Learning Fairness.” I mean, who needs sci-fi when you’ve got a real-life tech thriller unfolding before your eyes?
But Zach isn’t just about blowing the whistle on Google’s shenanigans. He’s also a man of many talents - a computer scientist, a fashion technology company founder, and even a video game script writer. Talk about a Renaissance man!
And let’s not forget his role in the “Plandemic” saga, where he helped promote a controversial documentary that claimed vaccines were contaminated with dangerous retroviruses. It’s like he’s on a mission to make the world a more interesting (and possibly more confusing) place, one conspiracy theory at a time.
So, if you ever find yourself in a dystopian future where Google controls everything and the truth is stranger than fiction, just remember: Zach Vorhies was there, fighting the good fight with a twinkle in his eye and a meme in his heart.
NYT opinion piece title: Effective Altruism Is Flawed. But What’s the Alternative? (archive.org)
lmao, what alternatives could possibly exist? have you thought about it, like, at all? no? oh…
(also, pet peeve, maybe bordering on pedantry, but why would you even frame this as singular alternative? The alternative doesn’t exist, but there are actually many alternatives that have fewer flaws).
You don’t hear so much about effective altruism now that one of its most famous exponents, Sam Bankman-Fried, was found guilty of stealing $8 billion from customers of his cryptocurrency exchange.
Lucky souls haven’t found sneerclub yet.
But if you read this newsletter, you might be the kind of person who can’t help but be intrigued by effective altruism. (I am!) Its stated goal is wonderfully rational in a way that appeals to the economist in each of us…
rational_economist.webp
There are actually some decent quotes critical of EA (though the author doesn’t actually engage with them at all):
The problem is that “E.A. grew up in an environment that doesn’t have much feedback from reality,” Wenar told me.
Wenar referred me to Kate Barron-Alicante, another skeptic, who runs Capital J Collective, a consultancy on social-change financial strategies, and used to work for Oxfam, the anti-poverty charity, and also has a background in wealth management. She said effective altruism strikes her as “neo-colonial” in the sense that it puts the donors squarely in charge, with recipients required to report to them frequently on the metrics they demand. She said E.A. donors don’t reflect on how the way they made their fortunes in the first place might contribute to the problems they observe.
a near 12,000 word anonymous hit piece on Émile Torres on the EA forum has some gems in the comments.
the top comment basically calls it out as someone airing their personal grievances.
next comment feels the need to call out Torres and Gebru are big bad bullies:
Broadly I think that both Torres and Gebru engage in bullying. They have big accounts and lots of time and will quote tweet anyone who disagrees with them, making the other person seem bad to their huge followings.
and my personal favorite, that Marx’s drive was more akin to rationalists than current leftists, because leftists for the “last ten-fifteen years just [haven’t] been very rational”
Karl Marx’s whole work was based on economics and an attempt to create a sort of scientific theory of history, love it or hate it the man obviously had a drive more akin to those of current rationalists than of current leftists.
nsfw, and at a risk of beating a dead horse, but this article, although brief, does a decent job at connecting the dots between “silicon valley pronatalism” and regular ol’ nationalism/white supremacy, while debunking some of their EA bullshit too
The Collinses are leading spokespeople for a movement called pronatalism, popular in Silicon Valley. Elon Musk, a father of 11, is one of its leading proponents. “Population collapse due to low birth rates is a much bigger risk to civilization than global warming,” Musk tweeted.
Demographers disagree: there is no collapse, and one is not even predicted. Such evidence has not stopped the rise of pronatalism in response to an imagined “population bomb.”
In short, the problem for pronatalism is not declining reproduction, but who is reproducing. Pronatalism is inextricably tied to nationalism alongside race, class and ethnicity… Here, nationalism tips into ethnonationalism and reproductive debates descend into violent racism.
The couple both said they found the backlash they faced on social media to be racist since, they argued, minorities often hit their children without the same backlash.
“We are kind of shocked by the racism threaded throughout this recent controversy. It is pretty well-documented that African Americans and other minority groups practice corporal punishment much more than other groups,” Simone Collins said via email, linking to a CNN article published in 2011.
Malcolm Collins said it was “uniquely offensive” to him considering “the majority of Americans practice some form of corporal punishment, as you can see from the statistics with specifically that being the minority groups of Americans. So yeah, I think it’s an arguably racist position.”
this is the stupidest fucking thing I’ve read all year
Over 50% (!!) of the country I live in (hint: 6th biggest country by area in the world, so it’s a big bit of land) is used for cattle grazing.
Sure, a fair amount of that land isn’t ideal for cropping, but a large portion of it would be, and the rest is what we have left of native vegetation. It’d be great if we stopped letting cattle trample it, and who knows, maybe we’d even have some land available for serious land-back and treaty talks??
“Dad, why is my sister’s name Octavia George?”
“Because your mother loves the Roman Empire.”
“Thanks Dad.”
“No problem Industry Americus.”
reporter: This AI development is a Big Deal™.
me: y tho?
reporter: Oh, I’m so glad you asked! The AI is IN the computer!
me: y tho?
reporter: To win the race to get AI everywhere the fastest!
me: sorry, y tho?
reporter: Oh my, you sure have a lot of questions! Look, let’s not try to make any sense of this. After all, only our tech-daddies have the answers!
me: begins weeping
reporter: Don’t cry! At least we’re all in this together, right???
While AI being “in” a computer might sound as obvious as blue being “in” the sky, this is actually one of those things that is a Big Deal™. AI models are normally either downloaded or used online, but Microsoft has just announced an “AI computer”, meaning the technology is in-built. It’s the company’s latest play in the overheated race to see which tech giant can get the most AI into the most places, fastest.
What does it mean? Hard to say! In case you haven’t worked it out yet, this is all one big live experiment, and we’re the rats. Perhaps there’s some comfort in knowing we’ll all find out together.
edit: oh no, this is the same author I sneered at for quirkwashing e/acc. nothing personal, I just die a little inside every time I read something like this, and a little death is always better shared!
how have I not heard of sigbovik before, this is excellent
this is most certainly a clerical error
gems from the comments:
Academics and Journalists could interview an arbitrary EA forum user on a particular area if they wanted to get up to speed quickly. The fact they seem not to do this, in addition to not giving a right to reply, makes me think they’re not truth-seeking.
Why don’t academics and journalists do their job properly and interview random forum members to inform their research?
trailing-question-marks: the consensus bypassing trick anarchists don’t want you to know?
???
Virtual Veterans is an AI-driven chatbot that, when interacted with, assumes the persona of a World War I soldier, named ‘Charlie’. It uses AI techniques and algorithms to provide a guide to rich collections of resources from State Library of Queensland, Trove (Queensland digitised newspapers) and the Australian War Memorial.
ffs…
orange site poster finds 2 and 2, struggles to come to terms with the fact that they add to 4:
Every time race comes up on HackerNews i am shocked at how horrifyingly racist (some) users of this site are. Not only did a user somehow think that this context would exonerate this very racist man, both you and I are getting immediately downvoted for disagreeing. There was a post last week or so that was so full of racist comments it just got taken down. I wonder what on earth brings together HackerNews and racism like this.
I wonder mate…
A shining HN knight hoists themself onto their (very) high horse to respond:
You know, topics like this are not always black and white. There is a full-range, nuance and discussion.
I’d also wager that the downvotes here are because this flame-bait kind of comments are not appropriate for HN, or if they are appropriate then some might not think it’s contributing to the discussion anyways.
Me, I think the refusal by some to admit (or accept) that the full-context post adds to the discussion and to instead double-down and cry more racism is definitely not constructive.
I’m honestly getting tired of these “race card” low-blows and one-sided thinking shutting down conversation.
news just in: orange site poster finds 2 and 2, struggles to come to terms with the fact that they add to 4:
Every time race comes up on HackerNews i am shocked at how horrifyingly racist (some) users of this site are. Not only did a user somehow think that this context would exonerate this very racist man, both you and I are getting immediately downvoted for disagreeing. There was a post last week or so that was so full of racist comments it just got taken down. I wonder what on earth brings together HackerNews and racism like this.
mmm I wonder what it could possible be?
Context: Future of Humanity institute is shutting down, usual warnings about the (disgusting) views on race/IQ expressed in the HN thread
nsfw: nice to see thejuicemedia jumping in with a quality sneer