Says who, lmao. Keep crying.

I’m not sure how governments using open source software is somehow ‘idealistic utopian thinking’, but it suggests your expectations are pathetic.

That’s because you very clearly had nothing to do with developing or maintaining Linux distros. You’re just a user with an ego problem. There are plenty of explanations that exist now and then to explain why systemd was desirable, and why it ended up in basically every major Linux distro, including Arch and Debian, both of which are not corporate, but community developed.

Oh hey it’s the same nonsense people have been saying for a decade now.

First of all, Linux is not Unix, and Unix principles were developed in like the fuckin 80s when what a computer is and does was different from what it is and does today. I’m betting you also use other software that doesn’t follow the ‘Unix’ philosophy all the damn time, like, I dunno, the browser you used to post this nonsense. It was a guiding principle, not meant to be a dogmatic religious ideology. Also it not being the best choice for low memory embedded devices doesn’t mean anything. It was designed for the desktop. These are very different platforms with very different needs. That’s like complaining that the wheels on my car don’t let it fly.

Also, bent the knee to who?

I mean they could add a diff thing, like how AUR helpers do it. It’s not much, but it’s something.

Good ‘nuff.

I was probably saltier than I needed to be but I hate it when people just say shit, and it becomes a n unquestioned truth.

Nothing really. Arch is still great, I just kept having stuff happen where I’d suddenly find out there was a new bug in something at inopportune times. Just the nature of being bleeding edge. Nothing broke severely, but like if you want to join a Zoom call or play a game with friends or something, having something break randomly that you have to fix, even if it just takes a quick search or 5 minutes of troubleshooting can get tiresome.

Also, all of the customization stuff that Arch allows is not as appealing to me anymore since my skill level with Linux has reached a point where I can get super granular with pretty much any distro. Add to that flatpak reducing my need to depend on the AUR, and there you have it.

Link proof when you make accusations or shut the fuck up.

Used to be Arch, now I shill for Debian.

I kinda vibe with this. There was an odd wave of GPL hate that cropped up some time ago, and people started using MIT. It feels super weird. If companies want to use your code, they should probably have to commit back to upstream or pay for it.

Also I cannot have systemd without binary logs.

This is literally just false.

Pretty sure they are absolutely relying on Red Hat. Red Hat provide the system plumbing for most linux distros, under the lgpl, and are heavily integrated into RHEL, Fedora, Rocky, Alma, Cent, Wayland, Pulseaudio, Pipewire & Gnome development.

Yes, and? If those things went closed source tomorrow, the previously open source would not disappear. People could continue to build on it.

Debian would not have had the most publicly painful year I’ve even seen it go through with the systemd debate and Lennart would not have issued Gentoo with a wakeup call from Red Hat.

There was a strong community discussion because a lot of people didn’t like systemd. After a public democratic decision making process, a decision was made. If something significant happens, another discussion will happen. I don’t understand why you’re talking about disagreements as if they’re the end of the world. “Publically painful”? What does that mean? Debian isn’t a politican. Lennart issuing ‘wake-up calls’ to people is just him being a dipshit. It means nothing for Linux and it’s usability.

I started using linux regularly around 2011 and the communities I joined then were concerned about Red Hat’s future plans and putting safeguards in place. Pat Volkerding, Daniel Robbins, Gentoo, Void, Crux and many others are better prepped to manage Red Hat going postal as they have been cautious of their approach for a decade or more.

Cool, the system is working as intended. Debian can swap Red Hat’s technologies for the other ones. Do you think that it’s not possible to run systemd free Debian, or use KDE instead of GNOME?

If Linus goes postal, not to worry, it’s foss, we can just fork the kernel, write a new one or get hurd feature complete over the weekend.

Yes. The decades of work on the kernel will not magically disappear, and people can continue that work. A new one wouldn’t be necessary. Linus barely writes the majority of the kernel code any more. The kernel has shit loads of developers working on it regularly.

This is just FUD bullshit written by someone who doesn’t understand how Linux has been working for the past decade.

Yes, and?

Nobody’s “relying” on Red Hat. You guys are being insanely dramatic. It’s FOSS software. If Red Hat loses their minds, systemd will just be forked, or there will be a discussion on where to move to next.

Good god.

Uh, yeah, Debian is about being stable. Being conservative is aligned with that. When you’re a cornerstone distro, you want to be sure about the changes you’re making, especially when they are likely to have long term, far reaching consequences.

Non free firmware specifically, since it’s a really bad user experience for new users to just not have things work because they don’t have the option to choose to use non-free firmware.

Not really true. You don’t necessarily need open source drivers for Linux to play well. There was actually a period where NVidia was the better option on Linux because their proprietary drivers were better than the alternatives. If the company cares to manage those drivers they will work well. That said, it looks like AMD has embraced FOSS and NVidia finally opened their other drivers, so things are looking up at least. Having binary blobs for certain shit is not ideal either, but I’ll take it if it means more people will move to Linux and everything else will still be open.

Shitty, but it’s not like NVidia didn’t do more and worse.

I’d prefer it if AMD wasn’t doing this shit, but I’ll probably be sticking with them as long as their providing a quality Linux experience.

In a lot of ways it’s more similar to Squad, to be honest.

Depends on what you mean for security/privacy. You can use Tails or whatever and have everything encrypted and then just be logging into your Facebook account on Chrome without an ad blocker.

Most Linux distros are secure enough for the average person who isn’t being targeted by some crazy state level actor. If you’re particularly concerned stick with a distro that has a security team like Debian. As for privacy that has more to do with the sites you browse and have accounts with but obviously avoid Google (I just use Firefox instead of Chrome) use an adblocker like ublock origin, along with maybe something like decentraleyes.