It’s been done before… before the “Red Scare” there was the “Black Scare” - it’s where the trope of the “bomb-throwing anarchist” comes from.

It’s a valid tactic - but if it’s not carefully done and well thought through, it can end up creating a lot of blowback… as it did for the anarchist Alexander Berkman when he attempted to assassinate the capitalist Henry Clay Frick (hint - don’t assassinate a capitalist during a strike… if the striking workers thought that’d work they’d probably do it themselves).

Not sure about that paper - it recommends ocular irrigation (with water) for OC gas… the exact thing you mentioned hurting so bad in your first response. The thing to remember here is that a lot of the discourse on this doesn’t distinguish between the use of a liquid to flood particles away from skin and membranes through it’s kinetic action (possible with CS gas and very necessary with white phosporous) and relying on the chemical properties of the liquid itself to bring any kind of relief.

This study is bunk.

No. It isn’t.

I was going to say radicalism (as a political concept) refers to the practice of looking for the root causes of society’s ills as opposed to merely fixating on (if we’re going to be charitable about it) superficial ones as reformist and reactionary politics would have us to do, and this makes radicalism an inherently left-wing thing and something reactionaries (and most of their reformist allies) will take extreme measures to prevent - including completely handing the state and it’s repressive apparatus over to reactionaries (ie, what we call fascism today).

But you know what? This…

Radical is just further left than reformer.

…is, so far, the only half-way decent response I’ve ever had to this in about five year’s time - so I’m just going to leave it as is.

Lol!

I wish I could take credit for turning the term liberal into an insult - but I’m afraid liberals did most of that on their own.

Feel free to respond once your reactionary fit ebbs to a manageable level.

I’m starting to suspect that masquenox is part of a propaganda campaign led by the basilisk itself!

We all have our price - it turns out mine is… dental cover.

The claim that fear of punishment or repercussions affects people’s actions shouldn’t be a controversial thing to say.

I didn’t say it was controversial - I said it’s pretty useless as a tool to predict a given society’s behavior with. Plenty of tyrants have discovered that the hard way.

demonstrated its orders-of-magnitude greater intelligence to you

The ability to ace IQ tests will never impress me… and it’s unlikely to make up for the fact that it needs a box.

simulate your mind, and create a hell for you where you’ll be tortured for literal eternity

That argument is no different than the ones co-opted religion has been making for thousands of years - and it still hasn’t managed to tame us much.

Of course, you’re always free to call its bluff,

Calling power’s bluff is something we do as a matter of course - the history books are filled with it. This doesn’t make power less dangerous - but there is no such thing as “unknowable” power.

But we don’t have any basis to say it’s impossible.

We have no basis to say it’s possible, either - as I’ve stated before, this entire sci-fi trope is based on nothing more than techno-fetishists trying to conflate consciousness with information technology… and sci-fi tropes doesn’t get more wonky than that.

It could be a thousand years or a million years.

Considering that we’ll be lucky if we can maintain Victorian-era levels of industry by the end of this century, I’d say a fallacious belief in “progress” is rather inappropriate these days.

Same as punishment for crime.

“Crime & Punishment” is a very dodgy thing to base anything off… our society barely does any of it and the little of it that does gets done is done for a myriad of reasons that has very little to do with either.

There’s a good reason why governments hide “Crime & Punishment” away behind prison walls - doing it out in the open will eventually have the opposite effect on a population. Good luck to an AI dumb enough to test this out for itself.

I’d say this should rather be called "Roko’s Earthworm-Pretending-To-Be-A-Lot-Scarier-Than-It-Actually-Is.

I mean I guess I could use the Victoria 3

Is that one better than the cheap one CNN (and you) are using?

Fair enough.

Just because we don’t have the ability now doesn’t mean it’s not possible.

Yeah… no. It’s about as likely as humanity “colonizing” space - it’s not going to happen.

Consciousness isn’t fully understood,

True… and conflating consciousness with the trappings of digital technology is doing the exact opposite of getting us closer to any understanding of it.

Based cat doesn’t take orders from fascists.

Also, the Koran is horseshit.

Why don’t you go and burn one in Swat district, then? That’ll show 'em.

This is why I have a hard time taking anyone seriously who calls any human society, past or present, “primitive.”

torture anyone who knew of its potential existence but did not directly contribute to its advancement or development,

And the point of this would be… what, exactly?

The prospective AI punishment would be to have your consciousness ‘moved’ to an artificial environment and tortured for ever.

No, it wouldn’t, because that’s never going to happen. Consciousness isn’t software - it doesn’t matter how much people want to buy into such fantasies.

Should you be using terms if you don’t actually know what they mean?

Then tell me what you think… as opposed to what the lib media has told you to think.

I don’t care what a pig has to say about anything.