But it’s not “traumatic.”

Never said it was.

We don’t even have to bring in epigenetics into this. You spend your time oppressing and abusing those you seeas lesser than, that will carry over into your behaviour as a person. Infamously cops go home and beat their wives.

I mean, humans who work in slaughterhouses experience mental anguish and other adverse effects. Imagine inflicting that kind of pain to humans. I think even prison guards, who could somehow logically justify what they do, also experience mental health problems. No wonder many of them “break” and become abusive monsters. But then how can one be an abusive monster 9-5 and then “switch off”? One can’t, it’s now 24/7.

The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living.

Precisely!

“People who are descended from people…” makes it sound like eugenics.

Perhaps I should have written “People who were raised by people that…”?

If you think people from Africa are worth less than people in Europe, then what motivation do you have to teach your kids the opposite? You may even keep your racism to yourself, but you can’t change your actions. A little European kid notices that their parents don’t hang out with anyone else but their own countrymen for example. That’s enough for the kid to view everyone else as “the other”.

So it isn’t so much genetics, but what children are exposed to. If a parent small talks and laughs with random countrymen you see around, but then keeps it short with foreigners and doesn’t have the same rapport, children pick up on that.

But superiority and racism are something that’s taught.

Yes. And those Nazis or whatever who have kids, they’re not educating them in racism every day? Doesn’t even have to be “education” but just how they refer (or not refer) to other people. Children are very good at learning by watching. That is how we learn to live in society.

the woman who avenged Che Guevara was the daughter of a nazi

An exception that proves the rule?

Not even talking about Americans only.

Look at Europe. A couple of years ago it was “refugees welcome” and if you weren’t for letting every single refugee in you were a Nazi (fine by me). But now all of a sudden, it is the liberal, “left-wing” thing not to want immigrants, and to kick them out.

It is the “social-democrats” in Europe who are spearheading the anti-immigrant efforts, want to move asylum-seekers to concentration camps in Africa, pay warlords in Libya to stop the immigrant boats, support building a wall on the EU border (ironic, isn’t it?), support sinking, returning and otherwise stopping migrant boats in the Mediterranean, and so on.

Anarchists too have shown themselves to be nothing more than followers of the dominant ideology. If the state says “refugees welcome” then anarchists say “refugees welcome”. Now that the liberal European states have changed their tune, coincidentally so have the “anarchists”.

Honestly, I cannot remember the last time I saw a “refugees welcome” sticker, banner or protest. Goes to show how much these liberal NGOs control the narrative and various “organic movements”

I got prompted to it by trying to reconcile a contradiction that I experienced. As an immigrant in Western/Northern Europe I think to myself “How can these people be polite to me, yet not see me as a human being equal to them?”

The conclusion I came up with is that because of laws and societal pressure, in public they will go through the motions, they’ll do what is expected and required. But as soon as you leave that space of expectations even by a tiny bit, then it is full mask off. And they don’t care, because in their “rule-based order” as long as you follow the rules, you can do whatever you want once those rules don’t apply.

So as someone who is ND, this has been bothering me a lot. I am not surprised when I meet duplicity and hypocrisy in an individual person, but that it exists on a national level, that is surprising to me.

you have to rebuild your social life from scratch or just put up with being surrounded by evil assholes.

Guess which one most people choose…

Thanks for the response

are we talking about wounded nervous systems and their consequences

Definitely this. It’s one of the reasons why Nazis invented gas chambers, because they saw the psychological damage murder inflicted on their soldiers. They didn’t want there to be tens of thousands of mentally damaged maniacs in their new Reich. So they had Jews from the camp lead other Jews into the gas chambers and they had Jews pull them out and stuff them into crematoria. This way the German soldiers would not witness/experience all of the horrors they were inflicting. But gas chambers are unique in history, all other times humans committed genocide or atrocities they did it “by hand”.

Though these surely have some overlap, I don’t think they are quite the same

I don’t think they’re the same. But for example a slave owner, regardless of how they treat their slaves are still a slave owner. Their way of thinking, speaking, viewing the world will be passed onto their children, then that will probably get passed onto their children.

I can’t think of examples in the West when people were forced to confront their past. It’s always “oh, that was my dad/grandad, it has nothing to do with me”.

You get a situation where people’s thinking and worldview hasn’t changed significantly, yet they believe they are somehow changed just because some time has passed.

You mean the US puppets that were used for strategic purposes for helping the US do imperialism and counter regional counterweights to the west such as Iran and its allies?

Well, I happen to think that non-“white” people have agency. Why couldn’t it have been that Rojava used the US to achieve its goals? I am not denying that some US goals and SDF/Rojava goals aligned, but why should we strip SDF of agency and say they are mindless puppets controlled by the US?

Rojava/DAANES is AES in the Middle East. They are the only socialist project in the Middle East, actually.

You have to first realise that “red lines, and working with the US to destabilize a country is one of them.” is a construct. Because for example my construction of what’s happening over there is not the same as yours. You say “working with the US to destabilise a country” and I say that the country was already destabilised, and that the people of Rojava saw an opportunity.

I don’t like the implication that Kurds have no agency. They do and they choose to work with the US instead of the alternative of being genocided.

I hope SDF fucks them up.

they very well could be getting training in the US bases the SDF hosts or getting weapons through them.

You can’t just say things like that without evidence. If you claim ISIS is training on DAANES territory, then you should back that claim up.

I have a problem with the “US stooge” label. We can recognise Rojava cooperates with the US, we can say they receive help, money, training, weapons… but we don’t have to rob Rojava of agency. Why can’t cooperation with the US be a temporary, necessary measure on their part, rather than an essential quality?

Separately, the Syrian Ministry of Petroleum and Mineral Resources called on all workers in production sites to return to their workplaces starting Tuesday.

HTS and Turkey are stealing Syria’s oil.

According to some, SDF should surrender and let the invisible hand of communism protect them. lmao

You can replace the Israeli flag with Turkey’s flag and the meme would still be valid.

That’s fair. But let’s entertain a hypothetical…

If someone had posted “China should be wiped off the map” or “Russia should be wiped off the map”. Do you think we’d be having this discussion regarding motives and context?

You are doing a textbook example of DARVO with what you are saying. Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender

No, I am not.

You deliberately manipulated the narrative to make yourself seem like an innocent victim of a horrible person and lazy/horrible mods.

No, I didn’t. Where did I mention myself as being the victim? I think you’re arguing against someone else here…

You didn’t actually give anyone any context and acted as if your word alone is good enough to start a witch hunt.

I did though. I copied the whole “tl;dr”. How can the person ranting about China be relevant to whether or not Kurds should be ethnically cleansed from northern Syria?

You wanted to see the “context” because apparently calling for genocide as part of a longer discussion isn’t as bad as outright calling for it. I don’t understand the logic.

I’m glad that people don’t fall for your manipulative tactics. I’m just calling them out for what they are.

The only person manipulating here is you. You accuse me of a million things. So far you have not said 1 thing in defense of the person saying what I quoted in my post. Is it because you know its indefensible so you attack me instead?

if the person you are talking about said the things they did

doesn’t fit with

you didn’t actually provide any context for the conversation.

They did say the things, you’ve probably read the comment by now. I don’t know why you’re saying “if” when it is something we can all see with our eyes.

Are we judging what they said or the context in which they said it in? Ironic that Kurds receiving help from the US is bad no matter how you look at it (context be damned!), but once someone gets called out for calling Rojava to be “wiped from the map” suddenly context matters. lmao

I’m just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy.

This could’ve been a productive discussion, instead you try to manipulate people into some kind of “mob justice” against your perceived enemies.

“WHY DIDN’T YOU POST THE LINK?!?!”

“NOOOO! WHY DID YOU POST THE LINK?!THAT’S MOB JUSTICE!!”

Your post is full of contradictions, strawmen, projection, hypocrisy and lying. Everything you accuse me of in your post, you’re doing yourself.

Then you top it off with pure insults after I have not said a single mean thing to you. Then you have the audacity to say “fuck you”. I feel sorry for anyone who has to tolerate you.

You DARVO losers always follow the same pattern. You put words in everyone else’s mouth. You present…

You have zero self awareness, you assume I am a part of some group, then go on to assume what I supposedly do, only to then say that I am actually the one doing the assuming. That’s gaslighting.

Can you argue a point without implying that the person to whom you’re speaking is part of a conspiracy?

I don’t even know what DARVO is.

You present your enemies as the worst people on earth and allow no discussion of the topic

Zero self-awareness. This all started because someone said Rojava were the worst people on Earth, who should be wiped out, and then refused to discuss it.

Fuck off with that shit, it has no place here.

Stop your attempts at browbeating. Your whole comment literally applies to you, but you lack the self-awareness to see it.