• HobbitFoot
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    2 days ago

    Ukraine wasn’t going to join NATO before the war, even after losing the Crimean peninsula.

    Ukraine needs security guarantees because they have been invaded twice in a generation. What non-NATO guarantee is going to be acceptable to Ukraine?

    • freebee@sh.itjust.works
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      2 days ago

      That’s the biggest fuck up off it all. Just holding Crimea was enough for it to be impossible for Ukraine to join NATO, as there may be no disputed territories and they would have never given it up formally.

      Putin should’ve backed out and regrouped a lot better and more carefully after his full scale invasion failed miserably. It’s been a nonsense keep going out of principle war for years now and the biggest loser is Russia (it’s hard to even calculate the impact of a lost generation of young men + loss of influence world wide because of how crappy weapons systems turn out to be in real war instead of demonstrations.

      Meanwhile there’s an enormous diaspora of Ukrainians growing in many western European countries now and they became de facto part of the club a lot stronger and faster than anyone could have ever imagined before 2022.

      • Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        1 day ago

        That’s the biggest fuck up of all such regimes. Fascists can never say “it’s enough”. There is no “we are done, cool down the war machine, lets invest in domestic infrastructure.”

        You can’t become a fascist by ever being satisfied with what you have, and you can’t remain in power as a fascist if you don’t keep pushing pain and terror. You just have to keep redlining the engine of human suffering until it finally stalls and breaks down.

        Putin is held hostage by his own power and ideology, and can never stand down or step away with his head still on his shoulders.