About an hour ago I took two pumps of gynokadin dosergiel estradiol (approx 1.5mg I believe?). Will take 1 tablet (100mg) of Spironolactone tomorrow 🙏

Kinda feeling something already but it’s probably just placebo.

[yes, i am a cis woman but I feel (and look😓) like a man basically. I’m 23. Been to the gp and apparentlyyyy I’m only deficient in Vitamin D but Idek what they actually tested me for 🤷‍♀️ (besides that). I was basically told “NO”! to hrt. So since my life and health is awful, I decided to do a little research and got it myself. I am about to ovulate within the next week ish so I probably won’t take that much but we shall see how it goes!] Any advice welcome 🦋

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    Isn’t that what everyone on here’s doing?

    And my doctor - when I went in asking for a hormonal blood test - gave me a blood test but didn’t tell me exactly what was being tested and I only got told to take vitamin D. That’s what the result was.

    I don’t see myself going and asking for another blood test regarding this only to get turned down again. I feel pretty alright just taking what I’ve got and going with it.

    About intersex, I meant even if I have it it doesn’t make much difference to what I’m doing, how I feel, my plans to change.

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      The underlying cause of what is going on with you is very relevant and impacts what will and will not work. Reading about hormone imbalances and intersex conditions can absolutely make a difference.

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        I can’t see how it will make a difference. Maybe I’m being lazy about it but I just don’t see the point.

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          just an example: if you look like a man because you have estrogen insensitivity, buying and taking extra estrogen won’t help at all and you’re wasting money and taking needless risks.

          Cis people have more diversity in their bodies and the way they look than most people realize, and cis women are confronted for being “trans” in womens’ restrooms all the time, way more frequently than trans women are, because there are way more cis women who don’t look like the perfect ideal of feminine beauty than there are trans women.

          I’m not denying your suffering or distress, but I am saying that it’s entirely possible nothing is medically wrong with you and you are well within the natural diversity of human bodies.

          Spironolactone is a pretty weak anti-androgen and will also cause lots of side-effects, some of which can be life-threatening. You should absolutely be monitored by a doctor when taking spiro, it’s not an exaggeration to say you are taking your life into your own hands. Spiro is not a typical part of a DIY regimen for trans women (for lots of reasons, but the medical risks are one of them).

          The protocols and treatments designed over a century now for trans women are rooted in empirical evidence and studies that evaluate the risk / benefit of HRT and other interventions like surgeries, and they absolutely do not apply the same to cis women - in fact, the empirical evidence we have about body dysmorphia in cis women is exactly the opposite of the findings for trans women (i.e. for cis women interventions like surgery generally don’t generally improve outcomes or reduce distress or symptoms, and meanwhile they increase risk significantly; there isn’t even a protocol for HRT in non-menopausal cis women because there is absolutely zero reason for it, HRT is only needed when your body doesn’t produce enough of its own hormones - and we have no evidence your body isn’t producing enough estrogen let alone that it’s producing so much testosterone that you need an anti-androgen).

          It’s a pseudo-science myth perpetuated by influencers and grifters that “more estrogen = more feminine”. The informed consent paperwork I signed to take HRT as a trans woman specifically says that taking more estrogen increases risks and does not increase feminization. And worse, unlike a trans woman whose body does not produce female levels of estrogen, your body likely already produces estrogen in more than sufficient amounts for your body’s functioning; it’s very unlikely you need more estrogen, and taking extra estrogen like this can increase your risk of breast cancer as well as disrupt your monthly menstrual & hormonal cycles.

          Your body will also seek to maintain homeostasis and will likely reduce the amount of estrogen it produces in response to taking exogenous estrogen (the same as taking any other hormone your body naturally produces - e.g. if you took melatonin every night, eventually your body will just produce less melatonin and rely on the exogenous melatonin, you essentially form a “tolerance” over time that brings you back to where you started), so again you’re wasting money and risking your health for no added benefit.

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      Isn’t that what everyone on here’s doing?

      No.

      I don’t see myself going and asking for another blood test regarding this only to get turned down again. I feel pretty alright just taking what I’ve got and going with it.

      I was hoping you could insist on getting the full report, or at least the hormone levels. I really really recommend you ask for them. Consider getting blood tests privately if your GP is no help. Again, spironolactone requires testing your liver functions.

      If you do feel better then more power to you ofc, but knowing some basics will go a long way to make this safer for you.

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        Well I did ask for a hormonal blood test and basically got denied. I did have blood taken though (the gp didn’t fully disclose what for annoyingly) and I got the result last week for low vitamin D. That was it.

        I don’t really care to get another blood test at this point. It is what it is…can’t see myself going private either.

        And tbh, after doing loads of drugs in my younger days, I feel pretty OK just taking this stuff and seeing how it goes. I’m not that bothered. I made the effort to ask for a hormonal blood test and that failed so whatever basically.

        But I appreciate your concern.

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          If you were denied a hormonal blood test, it could be because the doctor didn’t think there was sufficient reasons. Do you have significant facial hair, male-pattern baldness, dark hairs growing on your chest and belly, etc.? What is the evidence you actually have that you need an anti-androgen?

          For context, when I had some cysts between my ribs as a teenager, the doctors took one look at me and immediately ordered hormone blood labs to check my estrogen because I looked feminine (soft skin, light body hair, not much facial hair for my age, larger breasts than boys my age, etc.). Doctors generally will run labs if they believe there is a credible reason to do so - all this tells me is the doctor you saw didn’t think there was justification for it.

          While doctors are not always right, they’re also not always wrong; sometimes an issue like this could be a mental health concern and not a physiological issue, to be worked on in therapy.

          It would be nice if you had a doctor who could explain to you why you don’t need your hormones checked, but if they didn’t think you needed it, one possibility is that you just don’t have the typical signs and symptoms of someone with an endocrine disorder (or intersex condition).

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            It had Lot to do with my inability to express my needs and concerns effectively. I DO look masc. i won’t go into detail but I do.

            I’m sure she was reluctant about it because it’s a bit of a taboo and it’s quite unheard of for cis women under 40-50 to be prescribed hrt. She did say that if I wanted to check my hormones it would have to be done virtually every day for a matter of months or something like that (from fluctuations due to the cycle). So she sounded as though it wasn’t really a thing (?).

            Annnd, I’ve also been checking out cis women or AFAB s experience taking what I’ve got so I’ve got a mix of information.