Reddit CEO Steve Huffman said he wants to end user-led protest by instituting a rule that would allow users to vote out moderators who have overseen the protest. NBC News’ David Ingram shares the latest.
Cool, so now the alt-right nutbags who control r/canada can take over all the other Canadian subreddits and promote far right propaganda and hatred in all the local subs too?
I projected that same fuckin thing too. That’s what happens for every platform; when the decent, good-faith followers get ran off, the scumbags inherit and just ferment the environment into a cesspool. I’m sure Spez is gonna be pleased with his soon-to-be new userbase full of center/far-rights, apathetic loyalists and equally money-grubbing dipshits.
Yes. This is what will happen. The far right will capture large numbers of moderately sized mainstream subs, they’ll think they’re crafting narratives like traditional media does as they alienate larger and larger groups of users, and then the whole damn thing will collapse into the ever widening cesspit.
I’ve been trying to get a kbin instance set up for Atlantic Canada, but I’ve been extremely time constrained the last two weeks. We’ll see how next week goes…
A former T_D mod messaged /r/aww announcing that he intended to take over their community. Can you imagine what would happen if these bigots got their hands on 10m+ subs? Spez is just empowering the most out of touch, angry dissenters to take control of some of the most high profile communities. It won’t go well for him.
This is a feature people have been asking for since the beginning and is only being talked about or introduced because it’s politically convenient for the admins.
I really hope this backfires and is only a means to an end of the users replacing scabs until the site grinds to a halt.
“We want to give users a say in the moderation of their subs.”
<users continue the protests>
“Not like that!”Exactly! And they cynically finally started working on moderation tools AFTER the protest (apparently the built-in mod tools had been garbage for years…)
I mean I have no doubts they are going to use a bunch of"bot" accounts to achieve this. All these internal memos and press releases prove to me is that money is all they care about.
Could larger subreddits use this to take over and delete smaller subreddits by voting in new mods who shut it down?
100% smaller subreddits will be a shit show.
Yep. This feels like a potentially bad idea for exactly this reason
Sounds like a great way to get rid of “problematic” subreddits.
Or make them more responsive to users.
It depends on what the problem is.
Who says the elections are going to be fair? From what I know about Spez they aren’t going to be.
Oh, what’s this? Our new hire just got 500k votes in just 5 minutes. What a popular person, they will be a great mod.
Bold of you to assume that Reddit would want to spend money on moderator hires. They’d just recruit some fake-power-hungry bootlicker who will follow, for free, the admins’ instructions.
yup it’s all so f*ing transparant it’s just pathetic. anyone with half a brain should see right through that cunt Hoffman
Somehow I just don’t think I’d trust that voting system…
Are you suggesting that it could get corrupted, so as to favor a person or group of persons? But they’d still have their content, and isn’t that what really matters there?
Totally agree.
For a given sub, how many accounts map to individuals vs bots/fake accounts? For real accounts, how many of those actively engage with the sub? This is not a problem for ‘controlled’ user accounts. The legitimacy of any vote will be suspect…no way around that.
Man, it’s an absolute shitshow over there. The only thing holding people there, much like Twitter, is their addiction. I admit I miss it, but continuing to use these services sets such a bad precedent. I wish there were some better way to show people how much better the Fediverse is and how it keeps asshats like Huffman and Musk from making shit decisions for everyone else.
I went to Reddit today for the first time this week, and it just feels hostile. Even more hostile than before. There are all these people seemingly excited that the 3rd party apps are going away, and people mad that some subs are gone without taking a few moments to understand why.
Normally Reddit is just a pile of people arguing at each other, and now it feels like a pile of people angrily yelling at each other. Who wants to really hang out in that environment?
I also noticed that the site has become more and more negative and sour over the years.
Yeah, the only places I’ve really enjoyed engaging in comment threads are the smaller subreddits. Big ones are frustrating and tiresome at best, actively abrasive at worst.
Perhaps the massive fragmentation that we’re starting to see in the Fediverse could be a blessing in disguise, keeping instances from becoming “too big.”
That’s Huffman, though, he’s getting more negative and sour with every interview. over the last two weeks. The one with the The Verge is revealing of a bitter and reflexively defensive mindset. He’s ready to sell all that data to train AI/Skynet and grab his golden parachute. No one’s getting in his way, not even own marketing VP on the Verge phone call.
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A lot of people on reddit are addicted to content. I realized this after watching people get so vitriolic in their fandoms. Star Wars, Game of Thrones, Marvel, Lord of the Rings - these are just the examples I know because I was around those circles - they all have had a point where they made something a lot of people on reddit didn’t like. And instead of acknowledging that it just wasn’t that great, people got nasty over it.
People on reddit are very defensive of their vices and points of view, and they feel very self-justified
couldn’t have said it better myself. fuck that dispicable cunt Huffman. haven’t peeked at reddit since the start of the blackouts and hope I’m strong enough to stay away
Yeah. I have previously said that my personal redline is the removal of old.reddit, but it seems like they’re actively probing around to find other redlines I hadn’t even considered.
For many, many years people have been wanting some way to deal with “abusive” or “rogue” mods. Guess all it took was for the “abusiveness” to be aimed at the Reddit admins rather than the plebian users.
I’m not installing the official app, so my Reddit use is going to go down. It will be interesting to see how much usage goes down after July 1.
I also think Reddit has not touched the mod issue because it didn’t want to trigger a bunch of mods quitting if it wasn’t well received. Now that mods are becoming a problem, they don’t care and are choosing the laziest way to implement getting rid of mods that doesn’t require a decision by themselves.
The only thing holding people there, much like Twitter, is their addiction. I admit I miss it
I feel that too, though I’m heartened to see tens of thousands of people joining here, and already it’s feeling lively. Just yesterday I asked a random question of the m/scifi (no idea how to link to magazines heh) and it’s gotten half a dozen replies :-D
Which is why I sat for hours this morning, manually deleting all the posts in my subreddit. He is welcome to now hand it to someone else…
There have been reports that reddit is restoring deleted content. Some are saying it may be a GDPR violation if you’re requesting reddit to delete your data.
that sounds quite clearly like a GDPR violation
This needs to be spread more. The right way to delete your content is to request a GDPR / CCPA type deletion. They will be liable for big lawsuits if they don’t comply.
There used to be a GreaseMonkey script that will automate this.
Redact - https://redact.dev/ allows you to automatically delete your posts etc.
I’ve seen reports here from this morning where people are saying that they’re even restoring comments deleted with Redact.
From a technical standpoint, adding a database table that is a comment revision history is trivial and barely requires any alternation of existing code. Even reddit could do it.
I’ve always suspected that they did it a long time ago in response to redact.
I used Redact.dev. And I’m currently running it a second time since it looks like posts in private subreddits that have since re-opened get reverted (presumably the edit doesn’t go through correctly?).
I used this to change all my posts to “fuck /u/spez”. Let’s see how long it takes before i’m banned.
Be careful, People have seen their post deletions being undone. Some posts that were restored were deleted as much as a decade ago. It appears to be manually chosen subreddits getting restored, but it’s something to keep an eye out for.
Unfortunately, they can undo that in seconds.
Nice on mentioning fediverse in the sub description too. I hope more reddit mods do that!
Corporate gonna corpo, just how it is. I’m all for continuing the fight though! They don’t care about the health of reddit, just if it makes it past the IPO so they can cash out and run.
And if those users allow the sub to stay closed? He’s going to reopen them by force anyway. This is posturing.
Oh, wow, talk about mask-off enshittification of the internet! If I were anyone in the fediverse, be it kbin, lemmy, masto, or whathaveyou, I’d very seriously start talking about what kinds of monetization we ourselves can establish so we can avoid the shitstorm that’s going on on the big SMNs.
IF (and that’s a big if) we can monetize ourselves, we very well could be able to stop investors and shareholders from enshittifying what we are now able to use. Otherwise, we are just running on a treadmill of platforms that start off with great ability and promise, but who’s ultimate goal is to be enshittified.
You don’t need to monetize too hard with fediverse. Anyone can self host an instance, no venture capital loans needed.
Isn’t each instance copy the data (posts and comments) from all other instances? This will scale infinitely which means each self hosted instance needs to be upgraded periodically as the userbase grows. Which will cost money
And if someone does try to monetize a federated instance too hard, people will just move to a different instance. I have no problem with ads on Lemmy/kbin because it’s inherently self-limiting in how intrusive they can be.
I predict a lot of brigading to take over smaller subs by bad actors.
We should get 4chan to brigade. You know they’d love to brick reddit
Ok. Vote out the moderators and then what? Obviously the community can’t go unmoderated, so where does the power go?
There’s only two ways this goes:
- Voting out moderators turns into voting for moderators. Turning moderation into public office turns moderators into politicians.
- Voting out moderators turns into surrendering control to Reddit admins. Small subreddits will be ignored and turned into unmoderated ditches while big subreddits will be converted into puppets.
I am sure they will find a lot of “users” who will vote… and then they can claim it was a fair game, haha. I am really enjoying this from afar. Not a day passes until another hilarious “press statement” from that spez. I really loved Reddit for what it was with all the smaller niche communities. These are the ones I miss here, but I hope growth continues and good people come over to populate the fediverse and bring over their unique ideas and discussions.
Not a day passes until another hilarious “press statement” from that spez
It really is something new every day, isn’t it? And it’s begun to be entertaining to watch the collapse
To quote a reddit admin’s (kn0thing) -11k downvoted comment from an infamous incident 8 years ago:
Popcorn tastes good.
Too late lol
Can we vote out u/spez ?
Good luck on finding new ones!
