• Fleur__@lemmy.world
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      10 days ago

      Yeah they are. Yes they do? Are you asking rhetorically? Those answers seem obvious

      • WhatTrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        10 days ago

        I kinda thought you might put it together, but ok. Yes, those were rhetorical and obvious.

        Police are responsible for police culture so pointing to culture doesn’t absolve them or change any of the math here. Same with the laws, they may not directly make them or have a say in them (unless you count police unions), but they can choose when to enforce them, when to not, and against whom. Again, your arguments aren’t changing any of the math here.

        The problems of police are caused by the police and sustained by the police so they are entirely the fault of the police. Your comment seemed to imply that at least some of the blame should be taken from the police since it’s not them it’s the culture and the laws. I’m saying, it’s still all them. The culture and the laws are still on them.

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          10 days ago

          I agree with everything you say. I think having a police force is a pragmatic choice to make. I think the idea that there is no redemption for the police force is irresponsible. I think police culture and laws need to be changed.

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            10 days ago

            Any policing service which actually serves the people will not be descended from the modern day police. It will be a new organisation, with no association to the old.

            • Fleur__@lemmy.world
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              10 days ago

              Okay that’s fine but there will still be police and they will still be policing so what would be the point. It’d be much easier to fix the current system then start over

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                10 days ago

                No, it’s much easier to make a new system. Because it’s impossible to fix the current one.

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                  10 days ago

                  Right, you should just go to a dimension where thats the case then 👍

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                    10 days ago

                    Dimensions aren’t universes, that’s a trope that was invented by bad sci-fi writers who misunderstood the membrane theory of multiverse. A dimension is just a pair of opposed directions, like left and right, or up and down, or future and past. We interact with four dimensions in our daily lives, and string theory proposes around 10, but the other ones are smaller. Membrane theory proposes that there are multiversal dimensions that lead to parallel universes. The dimensions are not universes, any more than a country is. Yes, you sail West to reach America from Portugal, but that doesn’t make America a direction.