When people think a bidet is stupid, I always ask: If you had poop on your arm, would you clean it with water or just wipe it with a dry towel and call it a day?
This question shows that people can have differing standards of cleanliness and it’s OK. Because the answer is “would you spray your arm with water only or would you use soap?” Bidets don’t use soap, so with either bidet or paper you can still feel dirty until a shower, it’s just what level of dirty you’re willing to accept.
Bidets don’t use soap? Well, I use soap on every use, what kind of bidet instructions do you follow up? Sponge and hands, a bidet is like a mini shower in your groins without a full body implication, is just a washbasin at a convenient height… don’t you wash your hands and your face in the morning with soap in the washbasin?
EDIT: Probably we imply different things for “bidet”, I got South European one in mind…
Fallacy of relative privation. Red herring. Some other fallacy maybe. But a fallacy none the less.
Also, people with bidets still take showers so we may not use soap all the time but they we still do. A guy I used to play football with would never use a bidet nor wash his ass with soap cause a man’s finger near an ass is gay even if it’s his ass and finger
No idea what you’re trying to say. Generally all people (whether bidet or paper users) use soap when taking a shower, but virtually no one uses it on their ass in the bathroom. Ergo you’re “dirty” until the shower. For you a bidet feels clean and paper users are dirty. For a “neat freak” they have to immediately wash their ass with soap and non-soap bidet users are dirty.
People have different preferences and it’s not a logical fallacy.
Most people use toilet paper > Bidet users says hey this is a better way > Toilet paper users (and you for some reason) say well you’re not using soap so it’s not actually clean so why use one.
You’re arguing something that wasn’t in the original argument, that makes it a fallacy.
Also, if they made a Bidet with soap I would use it but they don’t. So until there us soap use the water.
The original argument (question) was “would you use water or paper to clean shit off your arm” and the answer for most people is “definitely neither water or paper alone, soap needs to be in there somewhere”. Limiting it to either water or paper only is a binary fallacy.
What if someone criticized you for not using soap with a bidet? That’s what bidet advocates are doing for paper users. My point was that people have different standards and that’s not a bad thing. This made me a “jerk” to you for some reason.
For the record I’ve used bidets and they’re fine (although some people probably feel that public bidets are kind of gross when compared to paper), but the cleanliness factor is pretty close in most situations IMO. It’s not like I was advocating for not washing your ass for a week or something.
The original posed the question as if those are the only two options. Because, since there are no bidets that also shoot soap (at least not that I’ve seen anywhere), those are the only two options.
Then coming in and saying yeah well what about soap is irrelevant. Making it a fallacy. It’s as if two people were arguing if salt or pepper is better to use on cooking food and then you came in and said yeah well there’s actually a lot of seasonings you can use instead of just salt and pepper. Great, we know that but that’s not what we were arguing as we only have salt and pepper.
So if you had no soap available and shit on your arm, what would you use? Only paper? Or water? Your argument is fucking stupid. Of course people have different standards of cleanliness but the guy who doesnt clean his ass at all also has a different standard of cleanliness, and his standard is fucking disgusting.
Yes. When I’m away from my bidet for too long and have to continually use just paper I feel dirty until I shower. I still like taking a lot of showers even with the bidet but I’ll jump at the opportunity without one
Hey, fellow Spuds fan. I have a similar one but it’s: "If you smeared peanut butter on the outside of a watermelon but wiped it off with dry toilet paper, wouldn’t you expect it to still smell like peanut butter?
Certainly the one you’ve sprayed after wiping would smell less like peanut butter though? The first thing we do when cleaning anything seriously is get the wiper/scrubber/sponge/paper towel wet, with either water or cleaning solutions.
The moral of the story is y’all need to wash your asses however it gets done.
I mean if your argument is that things will be cleaner if you wash them twice (once with paper and once with water), compared to washing it once, then the answer is obviously yes washing twice will make things cleaner than washing them once.
I do agree that alternating between scrubbing (paper) and rinsing (bidet) will probably get you cleaner - but based on the comments I see, that’s not what bidet users are actually doing.
But yes, folks need to wash their asses better.
And their hands too, way too many people leave public washroom without washing their hands. Wtf.
No, that’s not my argument. It’s that the first thing we do when we are about to wipe down a counter (or anything else) with a rag is to get the rag wet. It’s that none of us trust a dry wiping/cleaning tool to be effective, it’s just going to smear the funk around.
You haven’t understood my pretty clear language and then are calling my metaphor dumb? Wow.
You don’t wipe with no cloth and just water alone? No shit, are you going for a promotion from Captain Obvious to Major Lee Obvious?
Your “no, the first thing you do is get the rag” is about the dumbest response I can imagine and inaccurate since the situation was framed as “wipe with a rag” implying a situation where one already has the rag. You might as well have wrote “the first thing you do is put on appropriate non-skid footwear and remove any rings.”
You’re not pedantic, you’re pretending to score points by calling me out for omitting the incredibly obvious parts that really didn’t need to be said at all.
Was because you were downplaying the importance of the rag. The rag is more important than the water is. If you’re cleaning a mess, and your choice is between water and rag, you choose the rag.
How commonly do bidet users scrub with both TP and water in a single sitting? The internet and this comment section suggests it’s pretty rare.
People are choosing between bidet (water) and tp (rag), and in your analogy, you’re saying the sensible choice is to wash something with only water and no rag. Your analogy only holds water (lol) if you don’t actually think about it.
Honestly I’d say wiping my arm with a bunch of paper towels is about the same as spraying it down with a garden hose. I feel like people who say otherwise have never actually tried to rinse something off their body with just water pressure and no scrubbing.
I still plan to get a bidet because it’s less irritating as you said.
You still have to wipe though, right? Using just water to clean it off your arm would still leave a stain. You have to make contact to rub away what remains somehow.
I’ve used a few bidets and while it was fun and they did an ok job there was no soap involved and I still had to wipe. I don’t hate them, they make some sense, but a bidet is not magic.
it’s water. what do you think is “using it well”? the only way to properly sanitize an asshole is drench it in water and use a little soap. Change your diet several days beforehand if you want to have fun down there.
Unironically, positioning, pressure, and time. It took me a while to be fine with the pressure needed to actually clean anything, let alone letting it stay on long enough to thoroughly clean. Plus you gotta angle yourself so everything gets clean.
Saying “it’s water” proves you don’t know enough, which explains why you’ve had a bad experience. No shame in that, like I said it took me a while. Stick with it, it’s worth it.
I use one and have IBS with issues as you describe. The bidet is miles better, and previous to that I had to use wet wipes because TP wasn’t even as effective as that. You’re using it incorrectly if you think it’s less effective than paper.
No. If you are using a decent bidet and using it correctly, you do not need to wipe. At most you’ll need to dab dry, but some models have blow driers so this isn’t necessary. The water is the friction you need unless your bidet has weak pressure or the stream is too dispersed.
Soap would always be better, but water alone is vastly superior and a complete replacement for wiping so long as something isn’t wrong with the setup.
There are people who always have super solid movements that don’t leave a trail. Many of us have a variety of textures that smear as they exit. A bidet removes the majority of it but never all, and wiping reveals what is left behind.
There are people who always have super solid movements that don’t leave a trail. Many of us have a variety of textures that smear as they exit.
I get that, but my experience has been that even greasy, sticky shits get properly washed off my bum so long as I use a decent bidet and know how to use it properly. I haven’t found an instance where a bidet has been insufficient and I don’t mean to belittle anyone, but there is a bit of a learning curve and perhaps it was a lack of experience or the lack of quality equipment?
Poops that would leave me wiping 20x and with a sore, bleeding asshole while wiping are not an issue with a wash. I guess someone’s poop could be very different from mine, but I haven’t run into such an issue after using one for years unless I just didn’t wash properly.
A bidet removes the majority of it but never all, and wiping reveals what is left behind.
This can absolutely be true, but it’s an indication of improper washing and the need for a repeat or a better bidet.
So? Just because you don’t have skid marks doesn’t mean you don’t have a dirty, stinky ass.
Also has nothing to do with your claim. The idea that washing your ass after a shit is somehow worse than not washing it is literally one of the dumbest takes I’ve ever seen.
This is the exact fucking harassment I get every fuckdamn time the bidet cultists catch wind, and I am so fuckdamn tired of it.
Listen, wetass, if you enjoy spraying fecal mist all over your bathroom while simultaneously drenching every square inch of your ass in bacterial medium that’s on you. I know how to wipe and my partners have never had an issue going down town for dinner and NONE of them were ever shy about informing me on my odor.
You just want license to make your anal fetish public and its disgusting.
Every time I lay out my talking points about moisture contact and contaminated spray you fucknuggets just spam my inbox with insults so I have zero interest in arguing with any of you wetasses.
Well then don’t comment at all. Like I said I am happy to hear your arguments but now you just made me frustrated…
I’m pretty sure the reason you’re getting spammed with insults is that you have a very abrasive commenting style. At least that’s my opinion based on the last two I’ve read :D
When people think a bidet is stupid, I always ask: If you had poop on your arm, would you clean it with water or just wipe it with a dry towel and call it a day?
Not to mention it’s less irritating for ur bum
lick it off like a cat
If only
Hey, that’s mine. You can’t have it.
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This question shows that people can have differing standards of cleanliness and it’s OK. Because the answer is “would you spray your arm with water only or would you use soap?” Bidets don’t use soap, so with either bidet or paper you can still feel dirty until a shower, it’s just what level of dirty you’re willing to accept.
Bidets don’t use soap? Well, I use soap on every use, what kind of bidet instructions do you follow up? Sponge and hands, a bidet is like a mini shower in your groins without a full body implication, is just a washbasin at a convenient height… don’t you wash your hands and your face in the morning with soap in the washbasin?
EDIT: Probably we imply different things for “bidet”, I got South European one in mind…
Fallacy of relative privation. Red herring. Some other fallacy maybe. But a fallacy none the less.
Also, people with bidets still take showers so we may not use soap all the time but they we still do. A guy I used to play football with would never use a bidet nor wash his ass with soap cause a man’s finger near an ass is gay even if it’s his ass and finger
Either way you’re being a jerk
No idea what you’re trying to say. Generally all people (whether bidet or paper users) use soap when taking a shower, but virtually no one uses it on their ass in the bathroom. Ergo you’re “dirty” until the shower. For you a bidet feels clean and paper users are dirty. For a “neat freak” they have to immediately wash their ass with soap and non-soap bidet users are dirty.
People have different preferences and it’s not a logical fallacy.
Most people use toilet paper > Bidet users says hey this is a better way > Toilet paper users (and you for some reason) say well you’re not using soap so it’s not actually clean so why use one.
You’re arguing something that wasn’t in the original argument, that makes it a fallacy.
Also, if they made a Bidet with soap I would use it but they don’t. So until there us soap use the water.
The original argument (question) was “would you use water or paper to clean shit off your arm” and the answer for most people is “definitely neither water or paper alone, soap needs to be in there somewhere”. Limiting it to either water or paper only is a binary fallacy.
What if someone criticized you for not using soap with a bidet? That’s what bidet advocates are doing for paper users. My point was that people have different standards and that’s not a bad thing. This made me a “jerk” to you for some reason.
For the record I’ve used bidets and they’re fine (although some people probably feel that public bidets are kind of gross when compared to paper), but the cleanliness factor is pretty close in most situations IMO. It’s not like I was advocating for not washing your ass for a week or something.
The original posed the question as if those are the only two options. Because, since there are no bidets that also shoot soap (at least not that I’ve seen anywhere), those are the only two options.
Then coming in and saying yeah well what about soap is irrelevant. Making it a fallacy. It’s as if two people were arguing if salt or pepper is better to use on cooking food and then you came in and said yeah well there’s actually a lot of seasonings you can use instead of just salt and pepper. Great, we know that but that’s not what we were arguing as we only have salt and pepper.
How much are you getting paid, shill?
It’s commission based
So if you had no soap available and shit on your arm, what would you use? Only paper? Or water? Your argument is fucking stupid. Of course people have different standards of cleanliness but the guy who doesnt clean his ass at all also has a different standard of cleanliness, and his standard is fucking disgusting.
So paper only is the equivalent to not cleaning your ass? You’re exaggerating-- I wasn’t advocating not washing your ass for a week.
Yes. When I’m away from my bidet for too long and have to continually use just paper I feel dirty until I shower. I still like taking a lot of showers even with the bidet but I’ll jump at the opportunity without one
Then maybe the answer could be something like a car wash machine: first pass with soap and then only water.
Honestly I would love that.
Hey, fellow Spuds fan. I have a similar one but it’s: "If you smeared peanut butter on the outside of a watermelon but wiped it off with dry toilet paper, wouldn’t you expect it to still smell like peanut butter?
Hwat
That’s a fair question.
Honestly, I feel like they’re both gonna smell like peanut butter about the same
Especially if you do that with a potato instead of a watermelon
Certainly the one you’ve sprayed after wiping would smell less like peanut butter though? The first thing we do when cleaning anything seriously is get the wiper/scrubber/sponge/paper towel wet, with either water or cleaning solutions.
The moral of the story is y’all need to wash your asses however it gets done.
I mean if your argument is that things will be cleaner if you wash them twice (once with paper and once with water), compared to washing it once, then the answer is obviously yes washing twice will make things cleaner than washing them once.
I do agree that alternating between scrubbing (paper) and rinsing (bidet) will probably get you cleaner - but based on the comments I see, that’s not what bidet users are actually doing.
But yes, folks need to wash their asses better.
And their hands too, way too many people leave public washroom without washing their hands. Wtf.
No, that’s not my argument. It’s that the first thing we do when we are about to wipe down a counter (or anything else) with a rag is to get the rag wet. It’s that none of us trust a dry wiping/cleaning tool to be effective, it’s just going to smear the funk around.
No, the first things you do when you’re about to wipe a counter with a rag is to get a rag.
Sometimes you wipe with a wet cloth, occasionally you wipe with a dry cloth, but you never wipe with no cloth and just water.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think TP is better that bidets, but this sanctimonious metaphor is just so dumb that I can’t deal with it.
You haven’t understood my pretty clear language and then are calling my metaphor dumb? Wow.
You don’t wipe with no cloth and just water alone? No shit, are you going for a promotion from Captain Obvious to Major Lee Obvious?
Your “no, the first thing you do is get the rag” is about the dumbest response I can imagine and inaccurate since the situation was framed as “wipe with a rag” implying a situation where one already has the rag. You might as well have wrote “the first thing you do is put on appropriate non-skid footwear and remove any rings.”
You’re not pedantic, you’re pretending to score points by calling me out for omitting the incredibly obvious parts that really didn’t need to be said at all.
Was because you were downplaying the importance of the rag. The rag is more important than the water is. If you’re cleaning a mess, and your choice is between water and rag, you choose the rag.
How commonly do bidet users scrub with both TP and water in a single sitting? The internet and this comment section suggests it’s pretty rare.
People are choosing between bidet (water) and tp (rag), and in your analogy, you’re saying the sensible choice is to wash something with only water and no rag. Your analogy only holds water (lol) if you don’t actually think about it.
Is that clear enough for you?
Honestly I’d say wiping my arm with a bunch of paper towels is about the same as spraying it down with a garden hose. I feel like people who say otherwise have never actually tried to rinse something off their body with just water pressure and no scrubbing.
I still plan to get a bidet because it’s less irritating as you said.
Loudermilk had an episode on this.
You still have to wipe though, right? Using just water to clean it off your arm would still leave a stain. You have to make contact to rub away what remains somehow.
I’ve used a few bidets and while it was fun and they did an ok job there was no soap involved and I still had to wipe. I don’t hate them, they make some sense, but a bidet is not magic.
I’ve used a bidet for a decade and the only reason I have to wipe is to dry off
Only if you have a solid one. If your poo is sticky it leaves a smear and even high pressure water won’t shift, and that’s when you need a wipe.
You’ve never used one and it shows.
I have. A bunch of times. They are in most of the hotel rooms I stay in.
Then you don’t use it well. Which is fine, it took me a while to get used to mine and use it effectively.
it’s water. what do you think is “using it well”? the only way to properly sanitize an asshole is drench it in water and use a little soap. Change your diet several days beforehand if you want to have fun down there.
Unironically, positioning, pressure, and time. It took me a while to be fine with the pressure needed to actually clean anything, let alone letting it stay on long enough to thoroughly clean. Plus you gotta angle yourself so everything gets clean.
Saying “it’s water” proves you don’t know enough, which explains why you’ve had a bad experience. No shame in that, like I said it took me a while. Stick with it, it’s worth it.
I use one and have IBS with issues as you describe. The bidet is miles better, and previous to that I had to use wet wipes because TP wasn’t even as effective as that. You’re using it incorrectly if you think it’s less effective than paper.
I don’t think it is less effective. I tthink it is more efficient but isn’t perfect.
Again, you don’t seem to have these problems to know and I do.
Wipe your shit, wash your ass and wipe again to dry off your anus.
This has never happened to me across a wide variety of shits
If the pressure is right u should be able to get everything, but yeah even then you need to dry it.
No. If you are using a decent bidet and using it correctly, you do not need to wipe. At most you’ll need to dab dry, but some models have blow driers so this isn’t necessary. The water is the friction you need unless your bidet has weak pressure or the stream is too dispersed.
Soap would always be better, but water alone is vastly superior and a complete replacement for wiping so long as something isn’t wrong with the setup.
There are people who always have super solid movements that don’t leave a trail. Many of us have a variety of textures that smear as they exit. A bidet removes the majority of it but never all, and wiping reveals what is left behind.
I get that, but my experience has been that even greasy, sticky shits get properly washed off my bum so long as I use a decent bidet and know how to use it properly. I haven’t found an instance where a bidet has been insufficient and I don’t mean to belittle anyone, but there is a bit of a learning curve and perhaps it was a lack of experience or the lack of quality equipment?
Poops that would leave me wiping 20x and with a sore, bleeding asshole while wiping are not an issue with a wash. I guess someone’s poop could be very different from mine, but I haven’t run into such an issue after using one for years unless I just didn’t wash properly.
This can absolutely be true, but it’s an indication of improper washing and the need for a repeat or a better bidet.
Yes, of course.
This is a trap, literally none of you want to hear why bidets are disgusting and I will not be dragged into this again.
Fuck bidets and everyone who recommends them.
Wrong.
Nope.
Yup, you’re wrong. And you have a dirty ass.
Incorrect. I didn’t even know what skidmarks were till my bidet insisting roommate described them. I thought she was making a sick joke.
So? Just because you don’t have skid marks doesn’t mean you don’t have a dirty, stinky ass.
Also has nothing to do with your claim. The idea that washing your ass after a shit is somehow worse than not washing it is literally one of the dumbest takes I’ve ever seen.
You’re nasty as fuck, dude.
This is the exact fucking harassment I get every fuckdamn time the bidet cultists catch wind, and I am so fuckdamn tired of it.
Listen, wetass, if you enjoy spraying fecal mist all over your bathroom while simultaneously drenching every square inch of your ass in bacterial medium that’s on you. I know how to wipe and my partners have never had an issue going down town for dinner and NONE of them were ever shy about informing me on my odor.
You just want license to make your anal fetish public and its disgusting.
Very easy due to the lack of a clean butt /j
From the POV of someone who’s never used a bidet, you come off like someone who was just looking for conflict.
LMAO! “Why are people being mean to me just because I was being inflammatory??”
Fuck off with that disingenuous bullshit.
Nonsense.
Skill issue.
I’m supposed to be surprised to learn that you keep company that’s just as disgusting as you are?
Says the person literally, unpromptedly talking about their anal fetish…
what? I like them but I’m happy to hear your arguments if you would articulate them.
“You’re wrong I’m right but I won’t tell you why” is the opposite of a useful comment
Every time I lay out my talking points about moisture contact and contaminated spray you fucknuggets just spam my inbox with insults so I have zero interest in arguing with any of you wetasses.
Well then don’t comment at all. Like I said I am happy to hear your arguments but now you just made me frustrated…
I’m pretty sure the reason you’re getting spammed with insults is that you have a very abrasive commenting style. At least that’s my opinion based on the last two I’ve read :D