• ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee
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    2 hours ago

    let alone the capability to do a genicide

    Genocide is exactly what Hamas would do if they did have the capacity. Israel could wipe out every single one of them if they wanted to. They haven’t. Wiping out jews is the stated goal of Hamas in the 1988 charter.

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      Don’t get me wrong, Hamas are the worst of the “other” side but that’s why we would fight them as well if the roles were reversed. But I won’t want to achieve that goal by killing 40k innocent people. I’d be just as upset and angry. It’s asking for no genicide regardless of who’s the perpetrator or whos the victims?!

      And also your argument is the equivalent to saying those being surprised by a stronger power can only fight back by conviction means? Or that the Palestinian people having negative views towards religious fundamentalist who are literally killing and starving their friends and family, forfeit their lives for said negative views? For example if you asked jews people in concentration camps during WWII if they had negative views towards German people, and taking their answer as a determining factor on if they live or die… Nazi Germany also called jews freedom fighters in occupied Poland terrorist. And some of those freedom fighters committed horrific crimes against German civilians… Was Nat Turner a freedom fighter or terrorist? Were native American raids on settlements built on their ancestors land righteous or terrorism?

      Hamas wasn’t created in a vaccum.

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        2 hours ago

        Despite the high number of civilian casualties, Israel is actually doing a better job at it that the US has with their skirmishes in the middle east. It’s not like they’re not trying to minimize the civilian casualties, Hamas just makes it really hard by using their population as human shields.

        Also, if you look at the videos of Israeli civilian hostages dragged thru the streets of Gaza after the october 7 invasion, there’s a good number of palestinian civilians cheering. Would the Israeli population be doing the same thing were IDF to drag raped Palestinian women thru the streets of Israel? I doubt it.

        Hamas is a death cult. There’s no negotiating with them. The only solution is their complete destruction and showing the world that these views will not be tolerated. It’s the average muslim who suffers the most because of these religious extremists.

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          1 hour ago

          Me: Let’s stop all genicide and oppression everywhere by whom ever.

          You: ummm actually if we didn’t genicide them, they’d genicide us…

          Me: The fuck?!

          You: and America’s modern genicides and atrocities were much worse…

          Me: The fuck is wrong with you!