Sure but I think it probably isn’t as easy to gather evidence for this in China than it is in the US. That’s why I think it’s fair to assume the lack of evidence doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. There’s evidence this occurred in collapsed regimes of similar stripes. It’s plausible that China isn’t an exception. I’m not at all suggesting whether this is widespread or not. I have no clue. It could be extremely rare.
What is this notion that it’s harder to collect evidence in China is based on exactly, also what collapsed regimes of similar stripes are you even talking about?
I’m talking about other one-party communist regimes like the ones in the USSR, Bulgaria, Romania, Yugoslavia, East Germany, etc. Yes I’m aware they’re they’re not identical, including in rates of political prisoners. The one I’m from had relatively few.
Not sure what you’re talking about then because after the dissolution of USSR and transition to a liberal capitalist regime both crime and incarceration shot up dramatically.
But the people above you didn’t suggest zero, they suggested the officially reported numbers. Earlier it sounded like you were going to make an argument as to why Chinese numbers are more likely to be under-reported than USA numbers.
Sure but I think it probably isn’t as easy to gather evidence for this in China than it is in the US. That’s why I think it’s fair to assume the lack of evidence doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. There’s evidence this occurred in collapsed regimes of similar stripes. It’s plausible that China isn’t an exception. I’m not at all suggesting whether this is widespread or not. I have no clue. It could be extremely rare.
No question about the incarceration rates.
What is this notion that it’s harder to collect evidence in China is based on exactly, also what collapsed regimes of similar stripes are you even talking about?
I’m talking about other one-party communist regimes like the ones in the USSR, Bulgaria, Romania, Yugoslavia, East Germany, etc. Yes I’m aware they’re they’re not identical, including in rates of political prisoners. The one I’m from had relatively few.
Not sure what you’re talking about then because after the dissolution of USSR and transition to a liberal capitalist regime both crime and incarceration shot up dramatically.
Originally I replied to this:
It was about political prisoners not general incarcerated population. The aforementioned regimes did hold political prisoners for obvious reasons.
Yes crime skyrocketed after the fall of those regimes.
The US has plenty of political prisoners. Again, it’s not clear to me what basis there to suggest that USSR or China ratio being higher.
Yes.
I don’t know if it’s higher I just think it’s not zero.
But the people above you didn’t suggest zero, they suggested the officially reported numbers. Earlier it sounded like you were going to make an argument as to why Chinese numbers are more likely to be under-reported than USA numbers.