Science is incapable of ever being truthful because every scientist is an amoral wannabee friend of Jeffrey Epstein. These nerds literally take lessons in school to learn how to beg for patronage to do research. Of course their studies usually end up being about managerial bourgeois praxis like using skull shape measurements to categorize workers. That’s what personality psychology is about at the end of the day, Brave New World style eugenics with humane empathy for wage slaves.
I really don’t know if any organizations that gathers hard statistics on things like “how many astrology nerds are weirdos who take it too far and are obnoxious about it.”
We’re putting anecdote against anecdote here. The “it’s totally harmless” camp doesn’t really have any hard data to back up their assertions, it’s all just anecdote for them to. I don’t know why the counter claim needs a doctoral thesis to back it up.
If you’re going to claim there’s evidence and then run that back I reserve the right to assume you’re not arguing jn good faith lol
I openly admitted my evidence was anecdotal and anecdotal evidence is what I provided. Also my claim was in response to another claim that “it was totally harmless” and that guy didn’t back it up with any evidence so why do you go hound him for some.
And this all circles back to my main question, why do so many on the left seem hell bent to defending the valor of astrology? I didn’t advocate outlawing it or being mean to people who were into it, fuck I said it was harmless 90% of the time. I just said I didn’t think it was 100% harmless and that was enough to get some debate bros jumping down my goddamn throat.
people are jumping down your throat because astrology hate is usually just unexamined misogyny/queerphobia
absolutely not
-a queer black woman
people hate astrology because it isnt fucking real and its annoying when people try to pretend like it is, and even worse when they bring it up unprompted to everyone else. why would i, a black queer woman who has been beholden my entire life to my identities, seek to box myself into yet another determinative identity aka my StAR sIgN? if anything in my personal experience astrology seems to be yet another thing white queers and white women use to prove that they have any type of spice, something that usually fits right in with their life long quest to abstract themselves from the fact that they are just as white and just as rich
karen u are not a libra you are a gentrifier and your black neighbors would really wish youd stfu
yall wanna examine every single little star and what it means like its a 7th grade sleepover at the friend’s house who dont got an xbox, but dont even wanna examine racism and what your actually doing to cause it. if you want a new agey movement examining our personal relationships with each other, and to the greater world, fine. but do fucking racism first.
i saw white tenderqueers after george floyd’s murder talk about how it makes sense that he’d spark a whole new movement because he’s a libra and libra’s have the scales of justice in their sign. like…yall need to stop (if you dont believe simply type into twitter “george floyd libra” and youll see)
stop using my identities to excuse ur brain worms.
as far as im concerned theres nothing lana del rey isnt doing that these astrology white tumblr girls arent
maybe i am hyper sensitive and good at listening to others because im a pisces or maybe i just grew up black and extremely poor and learned that i have to be hyper intune with what people are saying in order to give myself a head start on potentially needing to protect myself. maybe the stars and the universe, and the implied sensicle moral arc of the world that somehow allows slavery and rape to happen (but definitely is right about brad liking you), will have something helpful to say about this.
wasnt it famous feminist philosopher marlyn frye who said that the biggest mistake men make (and what seperates them from women) if that they believe the universe is knowable? i guess now we know astrology and girlboss feminism go hand in hand
I mean I’m definitely not saying your contempt for astrology is recycled sexism or queerphobia. But I get the impression that the source of the problem is that white people are hostile to examining their understanding of race. If astrology wasn’t present they’d just hide in their prescriptions of hogwarts houses. In that case I’m willing to concede that people use things like astrology to avoid having to grapple with reality.
Besides that, do I not have a point about contempt for something strongly associated with queer people and women being used to smuggle in contempt for those groups? Doesn’t that happen all the time? Like libs scoff at professional wrestling because it’s associated with poor people. It’s classism in a paper mask.
so i do think that reddit stem white dudes malign astrology in a way that evokes the normatively dismissive way they look at anything queer and feminine but when you consider that the thing they are dismissing is accurately being dismissed as stupid, its hard to really defend astrology IMO by virtue of the fact that those who take part in it are dismissed on a greater societal level.
yes women and queers historically have a specific way of seeing the “universe” that should be respected on its own, that feeds into astrology , but astrology itself is still so fundamentally dumb that it kinda supersedes that.
also astrology does not have its roots in queerness /feminity or even in the west…so its not even created in response out of queer or feminine struggle, it seems to be just something people picked up one day. (something can still be a showcasing of a marginalized person’s struggle if its adopted along the way but this is not whats happening here)
this kind of reminds me of how in the 20th century black americans created this collective black identity /view of the ancestors we descend from: egyptian kings and queens, who were all regal and hyper intelligent aka the whole “we was kings meme”. This identity was created due to the fact that black americans as a whole did not know where they came from/ didnt even have a last name reflecting their own lineage/ had been primarily characterized by their white owners rather than by themselves. In response, black americans created this BS egyptian identity of we was kings. But that doesnt mean that the identity they created wasnt BS. While i would think that white people who criticize that fake egyptian like identity are being a little too privileged to have a real take on the matter, this is not whats happening with the reddit stem bros when they take on astrology —something that is dumb enough on its own and not real and not tied to a similar cultural context
i think new agey movements that dont address material concerns/ pledge to do something about them can be escapsim for privileged people.
i also do think that queer and feminine ways of thinking are great, but sometimes have their own failings that should be pointed out, because while reddit bros are homophobic and sexist, there are those on the other side (SJWs) that run with certain theories/ways of being in an unquestioning way and on the virtue that it is a feminine or queer way of thinking that is really damaging. I.E. the tenderqueer phenomenon which is best described here: https://dollyrose.substack.com/p/the-cursed-privilege-of-the-tenderqueer?fbclid=IwAR1NIAM1n6BlGuQZ7BIlKCUKQ9b1QH8szCLkRwyRQDl53ih5cQnQ7xFiaYk
i think astrology really annoys me because even though it is enjoyed by a certain group of people, i also think it speaks to certain weird, privileged, filtered through and just plain toxic (lol buzz word) dynamic girls and gays inact on each other, sometimes under the banner of being queer or being a woman (kind of like how white gay men think being queer means being mean to everyone)
like the tenderqueer persona, astrology determines ways of being/ interpersonal reaction/ ways of processing information based on meaningless signifiers (astrology signs). queer and feminine community should be and has to be more genuine IMO///also queerness as a concept is about interacting within the material world and actively fighting against it (aka Queer as in fuck you) which does not seem to jive with astrology