Hello comrades. In the interest of upholding our code of conduct - specifically, rule 1 (providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all) - we felt it appropriate to make a statement regarding the lionization of Luigi Mangione, the alleged United Healthcare CEO shooter, also known as “The Adjuster.”
In the day or so since the alleged shooter’s identity became known to the public, the whole world has had the chance to dig though his personal social media accounts and attempt to decipher his political ideology and motives. What we have learned may shock you. He is not one of us. He is a “typical” American with largely incoherent, and in many cases reactionary politics. For the most part, what is remarkable about the man himself is that he chose to take out his anger on a genuine enemy of the proletariat, instead of an elementary school.
This is a situation where the art must be separated from the artist. We do not condemn the attack, but as a role model, Luigi Mangione falls short. We do not expect perfection from revolutionary figures either, but we expect a modicum of revolutionary discipline. We expect them not simply to identify an unpopular element of society , but to clearly illuminate the causes of oppression and the means by which they are overcome. When we canonize revolutionary figures, we are holding them up as an example to be followed.
This is where things come back to rule 1. Mangione has a long social media history bearing a spectrum of reactionary viewpoints, and interacting positively with many powerful reactionary figures. While some commenters have referred to this as “nothing malicious,” by lionizing this man we effectively deem this behavior acceptable, or at the very least, safe to ignore. This is the type of tailism which opens the door to making a space unsafe for marginalized people.
We’re going to be more strict on moderating posts which do little more than lionize the shooter. There is plenty to be said about the unfolding events, the remarkably positive public reaction, how public reactions to “propaganda of the deed” may have changed since the historical epoch of its conception (and how the strategic hazards might not have), and many other aspects of the news without canonizing this man specifically. We can still dance on the graves of our enemies and celebrate their rediscovered fear and vulnerability without the vulgar revisionism needed to pretend this man is some sort of example of Marxist or Anarchist practice.
like this, for instance
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I don’t have the education to understand how this was excusing fascist rhetoric. was it the “difficult to discern how much weight to give…” part that made it come across that way? because the part before that about not denying how gross that stuff was seems to not be excusing it… but maybe it’s not a strong enough condemnation? 🤔
idk. it seems to me like there are well-meaning people being hit with “supports reactionary thought” label, and I suspect they would love the chance to learn and correct themselves if they are inadvertently supporting reactionary thought in their posts and comments.
speaking from experience. 🙃
that comment absolutely deserved to be removed. the user in multiple ways downplayed and trivialised Luigi’s right wing views. paraphrasing but “it’s just internet posts/likes”… “no context”… “he’s just a kid”… these are not phrases that would get trotted out on here for any old reactionary who didn’t murder a CEO. they are excuses. this isn’t “critical support”, this is whitewashing neo fash views in order to justify the lionizing or co-opting of Luigi.
😞 apologies again for the way my comment must have come across. I’m not trying at all to argue about the things, I’m trying to express that these things were/are not obvious to me
I don’t know the mind of the user who posted that, but I know that many of us have posted about our own right-wing backgrounds and the brainworms we have overcome. because I vividly remember what a self-righteous piece of shit I used to be, I am probably inclined to interpret things more charitably than I should be.
There is also a difference between discussing how we have transformed personally, vs. writing off somebody’s harmful behavior because they “might” undergo a similar transformation at some arbitrary point in the future.
I completely agree, and the way you stated this made me ponder for a moment, and now I wonder if part of the disconnect is “making excuses for” versus “giving the benefit of the doubt.”
some view his old posts and the silence between them and this act and see a reactionary who did something cool but has not disavowed his previous heinous statements – of course saying positive things about him would seem like making excuses for him to anyone with this undeniably valid viewpoint.
some view his old posts and the silence between them and this act and see a puzzle and wonder if something changed. I don’t think that viewpoint is necessarily invalid unless there’s an assertion of change – benefit of doubt versus certainty of doubt, if that makes sense – but I’m willing to be convinced otherwise.
I think this whole site could use a huge dose of “benefit of the doubt,” tbqh. it feels like many people assume the worst automatically – and I understand there’s a lot of Deep Interpersonal Lore here that I do not comprehend that underlies much of that – which doesn’t leave a lot of room for making honest mistakes and growing from them.
idk about the rest of you, but since I’m still breathing, I’m confident my days of making mistakes are not yet over. when they happen here, hopefully you (collectively) will give me the benefit of the doubt and help me learn.
there’s no need to be sorry, I apologize if I came off as criticizing or scolding you at all, wasn’t my intention!