Sometimes if someone is being kind of a Nazi we call them a Nazi. In reality National Socialism is really this huge body of dogmas and views. But if one of their views intersect we’ll say it.
Well Israel doesn’t just intersect with nazism on one issue, but several, and along the more critical areas. Some areas are more critical than others. Like you wouldn’t call someone Hitler for being a vegan. When we say that someone is Nazi we are highlighting a few key factors. You can’t just line up on things that don’t matter. It’s the things that matter.
Ethnically cleansing the area around you to create more living space for a country whose sole-purpose is to host exclusively the interests of a particular ethnic group. Pretty nazi.
Claiming that a group of people are less human to you and have access to fewer corporate rights than you, in this case because you disacknowledge the existence of their history. Pretty nazi. In this case corporate rights refers to the idea that groups of people can have rights and not just individuals. The concept that genocide is particularly wrong depends on that concept. I hope that’s a concept we accept. Because corporate rights are an element of human rights it is necessary that everyone has equal access if we are to treat everyone as equally human. But Israel claims they have more corporate rights than others and argues it from an ethnic position. Pretty nazi.
Now none of this is anti-semitic or more accurately anti-jewish. It was possible to be anti-nazi in the US during the 1940s and not hate German Americans. But if someone supported Nazi Germany in the 1940s they would pretty accurately be called a Nazi if they were German American or not.
I’m just saying if someone says “I think white people are pretty great and maybe better than others.” You might say that’s pretty nazi. My point is Israel and support for Israel is easily more nazi than that is because being pro-white is only one element of alignment, and was not unique to the nazis exclusively (kkk, even Winston Churchill). And importantly that person is not actively genociding people right now!
I’m not saying it’s not nazi. I’m saying it’s comparatively less so than either the state of Israel or support for it. By L’Hopital if it is not ridiculous to call one a nazi it is satisfied that it is not in any way ridiculous to openly call Israel Nazi.
Some will protest. They will say that due to history the comparison is unfair. Well the average American skinhead meth addict has a different history and life experience than a Bavarian who group up in a stable household and attended Hitler Youth camp (scouting). But they ended up at the same point and have common views. History doesn’t matter to the present. If you don’t want to be called a Nazi then don’t behave like a Nazi. A few areas of disalignment in history now past will not save you from that label if you behave and argue like a Nazi now.
So I’m saying it now. It is fair and legitimate to call Israel and its supporters Nazis. Just openly say it. If they complain just explain.
Apartheid Ethnostates is a better, more encompassing, term than nazi. It removes the rights of people formerly citizens of a land. That is a step further than being anti-new-immigration.
Israel and Ukraine are current apartheid ethnostates. It is an insult to democracy to praise their democracy. US support for these nations, and US removing citizenship/birthright citizenship moves the US towards such a designation in addition to supporting wars instigated by apartheid ethnostates.
OP definition of “seeking new land or taking the oil we deserve to own” is a mark of expansionist empires. But the words they use to justify it isn’t a magical “nazi analogy”. They’re Empirist assholes. Canada extortion, and Panama/Greenland invasion threats are a step above the Islamaphobic justified empire gains.
The anti-Russia US + colonies empire actions include support for apartheid ethnostates, and anti-liberal Islamist militants. That support from “moderate centrist” governments is what makes it extremely easy for amplification of the policies you supported so easily before, to get expanded. There is zero principled consistency in the world, when you support some apartheid ethnostates abroad for destruction of your own prosperity/sustainability.
Call Israel a Nazi regime or call it a kapo regime… it all pretty much boils down to the same thing.
They became what they escaped from. I don’t know if this is ironic or tragic. Maybe both.
One of the core pillars of Nazism is antisemitism. This is fundamentally a ridiculous statement.
This statement shows that you can’t even between fascism and Nazism and therefore are absolutely unqualified to talk about this matter.
In fact, Israel isn’t even a fascist country and it most definitely is not a nation-socialist one.
Israel isn’t even a fascist country
Challenging the legitimacy of the state of Israel?
That’s antisemitism…
I really hate how incredibly poorly educated people are when it cones to political philosophy.
Israel has a really robust apartheid democracy as you can be a democratic state and be oppressing a racial/social underclass as many nations did before Israel.
10% of the nation were demanding the jailing of Netanyahu in 7/23 and the state did nothing to stop them which is a clear sign they aren’t authoritarian let alone fascist.
You can hate the Israeli government and you probably shoukd but they aren’t fascists. Heck it’s teally likely Bibi is in prison in a few years.
10% of the nation were demanding the jailing of Netanyahu in 7/23 and the state did nothing to stop them which is a clear sign they aren’t authoritarian let alone fascist.
The justification for those demands was that genocide was not implemented sooner.
How much shoe polish do you use in a week keeoing those oversized shoes shiny?
Germany may have lost ww2, but Nazis won the war. The only nation to execute collaborators in substantial numbers was the USSR, every other country integrated the Nazis into positions of power.
Russia was the only nation to properly deal with Nazis. The west was inspired, were somewhat neutral and then integrated the Nazis. They fought against Hitler to protect their dying empires, they couldn’t give the slightest shit about the Jews, and Israel was their pragmatic and idiotic idea of a nation for Jews outside of Europe to a small group of bourgeois secular Jews who wanted to create a new "strong and muscular’ Judaism mixed in with European colonisation
And sone of the post soviet states dropped the ball on remaining antifascist.
You can thank Milton Friedman, Henry Kissinger, and the US for that as advisors on liquidating state assets as brutally as possible under austerity doctrine. The same way they helped Chile and Argentina.
No you can than a lot of people living in those nations as well. Yeltsin did a lot more to permit fascism to spread than anyone living outside Russia. It’s kind of odd to think that outside forces are the only reason why a society falls and that it cannot rot from within.
as advisors
Who do you think they were advising?
Why not place the blame in the people running their society rather than those outside it?
The only nation to execute collaborators in substantial numbers was the USSR
You mean the same USSR that now, as Russia, is a fascist core whose foundation of power is fundamentally built on family values, antisemitism and Gleichschaltung and Ausrichtung of State and Population?
Wait, what was the definition of Nazism again?
What a coincidence that Neonazis in germany are mostly active in parts that were occupied by the soviet union and practically none in the allied-occupied parts.
I am sure this is just a pure coincidence and has nothing to do with the fact that the allies thoroughly denazified germany while the soviet union was more interested in putting up a puppet regime, largely copying the nazi institutions used to suppress dissent.
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In Greece, after WWII the Brits literally turned against and fought the Communist Resistance (whom they had cooperated with during the NAZI occupation) and put the Fascists in power.
Greece had a Fascist dictatorship all the way to (if I remember it correcty) 1988.
You will notice that, unlike with the endless line of films they make at a rate of around one every 2 years about how they pretty much single-handledly won WWII, the Brits never made any films about this specific feat of theirs.
Brits literally turned against and fought the Communist Resistance
The Yanks did pretty much the same thing in northern Italy.
The more history you read about the two world wars, the more it sounds like just a culmination of class struggles. The conflicts happened a lot because of what elite wealthy individuals and monarchs saw as workers and common people gaining power and democratic control. You can kind of argue this in WWI but it really becomes apparent in WWII … it wasn’t just a fight against fascism or one country or personality … it was a fight between maintaining the status quo of elite northern Europeans dominating over everything. Germany was clear about it, the French grudgingly accepted it, the British kinda-sorta-maybe supported it until it couldn’t anymore … then when it was all over, the fighting continued against any socialist minded country, region, group or individual after the war.
I’m in Canada and when you read the post war history even here, it was far easier to be a former fascist or former Nazi than it was to say you were a communist or socialist.
I’m no communist sympathizer and I do not want any communist style authoritarianism but it is obvious to me that much of the conflict and friction that happened in the 20th century centered around the wealthy west doing everything in its power to try to remove, degrade, delegitimize and discredit any remote possibility or suggestion about anything to do with socialist ideas or social democracy.
I’m in Canada and when you read the post war history even here, it was far easier to be a former fascist or former Nazi than it was to say you were a communist or socialist.
Ukrainian immigrants to Canada were mostly the SS/Banderites fleeing USSR “persecution” of nazi collaborators/genociders. They were involved in many “thuggish henchmen” actions against unionization/worker movements in mining sectors in Canada.
I live in northern Ontario and I have friends all over the north and many who are much older and have long gone now. I actually know several who were open communists that supported and fought for unions in mining towns, forestry towns here in the north. It was normal in the 40s and 50s for people to say that they were part of the communist party in Canada. In the 50s and 60s Ukrainians, Russians and Slavic people were known for strong communities, building community halls and churches and being major supporters for unions and strike actions and fighting for worker rights everywhere. Then in a short period of time in about the 70s, they stopped, all their halls went out of use and they disappeared or at least their big cultural presence disappeared from the north. They became affluent and their kids went to live in the south in cities. All that were left were the right wing extremists and neo Nazis that fled the war or the children of these extremists. I have a friend in Timmins who often told me about one particular old Ukrainian who was an out and out Nazi-sympathizing war veteran that openly talked about his past. He would often get into conflict with Allied war veterans but the strange part is that this open Nazi was tolerated by everyone. And it was just one example among many. They were tolerated because the biggest common ground they had with modern day conservatives is that they were anti-union and pro-business. They were essentially attack dogs they could rely on to bark at opponents and rally people. All part of a post war movement where it was easy to be a fascist or a Nazi than a socialist or socially minded.
The 20th century was the West fighting to hold its empire and prevent other nations from demanding justice fir colonization and slavery
Shit, we have that “Memorial to the Victims of Communism” in Ottawa that got delayed because it had names of Waffen SS and Nazi collaborators on it. Department of heritage recommended removing 330 of the 553 names due to Nazi and fascist ties.
And today Putin is trying to invade a foreign country and commit genocide.
Russia is a Nazi country as well.
Yea I agree, but don’t equate the USSR and the modern Russian Federation. The only thing they have in common is the geography.
Someone reported this post for failing the “3d test”. If anyone can explain why (in a coherent way) Zionism is not comparable to Nazism, I would appreciate it.
The test has been criticized for vagueness, and has raised concerns of possible abuse among some people that it labels legitimate criticism of Israeli policies as antisemitic.
Up until last week, I think the argument could be made that unlike Zionism, no explicitly Nazi state exists. Furthermore, Zionism is explicitly not anti-jewish.
But after first lady musk’s performance the other day, we now know:
- The USA is a state run by Nazis
- Zionists (such as the ADL, Netanyahu et. Al.) don’t seem to care that the USA is run by Nazis. Therefore they must be anti-jewish, given the sizable Jewish population of the USA.
It seems to me that modern Nazism doesn’t actually mind Jews all that much, as long as they’re confined to their own ethnostate. And it seems that Zionists are okay with this.
So I guess at this point, I fail to see a difference between the two ideologies, flags aside.
I think fascism just needs an out-group to pursue. It doesnt have to always be jews. I imagine in the US it will be black people and/or mexicans.
It’s LGBTQIA+ and blacks and brown skinned Latinos.
america has never limited itself on outgroups. we have a lot.
The kid learned well from pops.
It never was tbh
always an insane ehtnostate from the very begining
Always has been
NATO is also a Nazi organization, but I’m pretty confident it’s been that way from the start. Seems to be confirmed by the fact that Hitler’s former staff made up the first leadership of NATO.
Lots of European leaders seem more willing to openly be Nazis as well. Even the German Green Party politicians are openly supporting genocide.
I’m very concerned about Canada. They’ve been leaning farther right for a long time. The talk about replacing Trudeau with Freeland is mind blowing. She has multiple scandals linking her with Nazis and defending them.
Apartheid ethnostate is one characterization of nazi Germany. The more important ones is a definition of “socialist prosperity” as trickle down from oligarchy promotion, a socialist definition that also called communism the worst possible concept, with jews responsible for promoting communism. Militarism and empire expansion to feed the oligarchy, while they hired more workers. The only difference between that and US, especially since Regan, is that they opposed the word socialism too.
Sources for any of that?
https://cpcml.ca/itn220328-tmld-art4/
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/germany-israel-gaza-genocide-complicity-what-behind
https://fiia.fi/en/publication/the-rise-of-the-far-right-in-the-european-union
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/07/11/asmr-j11.html
https://breachmedia.ca/chrystia-freelands-denials-grandfather-complicit-nazi-genocide/
https://www.readthemaple.com/chrystia-freeland-is-a-fraud-alleges-chrystia-freeland/
Just a note-Middleeasteye is not a good source. It’s funding is almost entirely obscured but it largely seems to be Qatari government funding. Trusting them isn’t much better than trusting The Voice of America.
You believe the content of this link to be inaccurate? Or are you criticizing the source because there’s no way to debunk the content?
Im criticizing the source as it is not any different than the Voice of America/Europe/Asia in the sense that it is a government sponsored source that tends to push propaganda.
The article itself could contain factual information and still be propaganda. Propaganda typically has some truth to it.
Well, at least you’re honest about your willingness to ignore facts if you don’t like the source.
I haven’t commented on the information only the overall quality of the source. Would you trust unquestioningly the Voice of America’s take on a situation in Cuba? You should treat this source similarly. It could be correct in specific cases but you should expect a pro-Qatari bias
The more the I learn about what the CIA and NATO did after World War Two in Europe to prevent communism, the worse it gets:
The stay-behind networks were a particular favorite of American intelligence chief Allen Dulles. An ally of the notorious Nazi war criminal Reinhard Gehlen and later a pivotal figure in the assassination of Congolese leader Patrice Lumumba, Dulles was a fervent anti-communist who’d decided in 1942 that the United States was “fighting the wrong enemy.”
Read The Brothers by Stephen Kinzer. We really are just living in a hell designed and built by the Dulles brothers.
Never heard of that book, thanks.
Thank you, I will have to look at these further. The last one doesn’t really seem all that damning, but it can help with context for sure.
