• jagged_circle@feddit.nl
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    5 days ago

    Can we do all petroleum products too?

    this product is causing mass extinction of an estimated X thousand species

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      5 days ago

      You don’t have a choice on the matter, so why waste bandwidth with empty proposals? Consumer tendencies and ideology is an illusion to keep movements away from threatening economic interests of the industrial/banking world. Change can never come from consumer modification.

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          4 days ago

          I see big tobacco just fine, and consumers didn’t hit big tobacco, the US government did by stepping on falsified findings of the ills of 2nd hand smoke. No move was made against tobacco till the US signed trade agreements with China to allow Big Tobacco to sell in the world’s #1 smoking market. Look back at that date, then follow stock market prices of BT after the date. PM and RJR diversified, even put a foot into Big Pharma taking up their market.

          Still, when you sum up all control substances including psychotropic recipied substances, the grand total hasn’t changed a bit. The quality of the market changed, the quantity didn’t. The poor kept smoking the rich just got Prozac

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            4 days ago

            I see big tobacco just fine, and consumers didn’t hit big tobacco, the US government did by stepping on falsified findings of the ills of 2nd hand smoke.

            What do you mean “falsified findings?”

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              I see big tobacco just fine, and consumers didn’t hit big tobacco, the US government did by stepping on falsified findings of the ills of 2nd hand smoke.

              What do you mean “falsified findings?”

              There is no evidence today of the ills of 2nd hand smoke, so how did this support back then came about the 2nd hand smoke is just as dangerous?

              There is so much false rhetoric and propaganda in addictive substances it is pathetic. Just search around on medical centers treating addictions, look for nicotine, being accused for cancer, heart disease … there has never been any evidence that other than a psychological addiction that nicotine alone causes any harm. If you suffer from hypertension and have weak vessels, yes you can die from it, but you can die from coffee or just getting scared.

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                4 days ago

                How the fuck could second hand smoke be safe if first hand smoke isn’t? Isn’t smoke inherently unsafe to breathe? Even wood fire smoke can cause cancer, you aren’t supposed to breathe smoke!

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                  3 days ago

                  you go learn science and research methodology then go make up your own stuff, till then just research sci.journals on what they deduced. Most urban street air is much more toxic and dangerous than inhaling 2nd hand smoke in a bar

                  Nicotine, a harmless substance, liquefies in such a high temperature that it can hardly make it through the filter and into your lips in gaseous form, so people saying you are spitting nicotine by breathing smoke are full of crap and illusions (I don’t see religion being banned for that).

                  Carbon monoxide? Carbon particles and biproducts of burning carbo-hydrates, as long as our lives are surrounded by vehicles the exhaling of smoke from a smoker’s mouth is negligible.

                  But it stinks! Aaa… but you smell like industrial aromatics, perfumes, deodorants, detergents … working on a Caterpillar bulldozer stinks but I don’t hear anyone banning them

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                    3 days ago

                    Most urban street air is much more toxic and dangerous than inhaling 2nd hand smoke in a bar

                    That’s an indictment of our shitty society with its shitty air quality, not an absolution for second hand smoke. We should eliminate both.

                    But it stinks! Aaa… but you smell like industrial aromatics, perfumes, deodorants, detergents … working on a Caterpillar bulldozer stinks but I don’t hear anyone banning them

                    Well I don’t see Caterpillar bulldozers inside bars either 🙃

                    Again, this is an indictment of our shitty society. We should be banning dirty engines too - electric motors can achieve the same level of torque (and greater!) without pumping out cancer causing pollutants that stink up our world.

                    All smoke is dangerous. We should reduce it as much as possible, from all sources.