Holy shit dude, talk about binary braindead mentalities. Yeah, it’s true that a lot of the discussion around this misses a lot of important information, but this shit is literally a matter life and death here now for some people, and Andy Yen made that post right in the middle of a whole bunch of tech CEOs all kissing the ring. Americans are on edge for a damn good reason. That’s a good article, and I’m pretty convinced the whole thing was overblown, but if you can’t understand the difference between not trusting the guy who just praised a fascist and “trying to infect the rest of the world” then don’t fucking talk about other people being too binary in their thinking.
Can’t understand the difference between defending people who made a hasty decision when their life is on the line if they trust the wrong person and still supporting that decision now that there’s been time to analyze things? Wow, you’re 2 for 2 on the bullshit binary thinking on the basis of your bullshit stereotypes. Good job!
Thanks for sharing this. I saw Andy’s tweet and the outrage and did not form an understanding deeper than “people who dislike Trump are upset at Proton”.
I’ve bookmarked this link and will share it when I see this topic brought up.
It has always been. FOSS is by itself political, just beyond the basic binary logic of left/right.
Your apoliticism is a political instance as well. Take for instance this quoute from Desmond Tutu “If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor.”
I’m not saying you have to ditch Proton over their CEO’s takes, my point is that thinking that everything suddenly became political is naive.
Agree, but that’s reality. People suck, world sucks, life sucks.
You don’t have to change your lifestyle over whatever thing that <random person you don’t know nor care about> decided to say today. It is not wrong to feel that way neither. But, IMO, being aware of that, or at least being open to learn about that stuff, helps a lot to being in peace with it, and eventually, could lead to a more ethical consumption without going to extremes.
Everything has always been political. Just because you’re too privileged to notice that until someone mentions a viewpoint you dislike doesn’t mean anything except that you’re usually oblivious.
That is ignoring the fact that the sky and grass are objective realities. “Politics” is all subjective. These are not the same thing, and your comparison is disingenuous and cynical.
True, you cannot avoid politics if you interact with others, hell, the family itself is the very first political unit. However, politics in the sense of news and elections is not the same, and is entirely avoidable. Your friends and families will tell you the important things anyway… it reminds me of the old blog post about avoiding the news, by Aaron Schwartz, well worth a read http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/hatethenews
What’s the difference between your friends and family telling you important things and commenters here doing so?
While the interpretation and assessment may be different, they’re fundamentally the same.
I really don’t get the distinction between objective reality and subjective politics. They were mentioning the objective reality of politics influence, not the subjective practice of politics.
It doesn’t matter if it’s subjective or objective, it exists.
I don’t need a lecture about Aaron Schwartz and I assure you he wasn’t so childish as to think politics should be ignored and “suck it” in the way you imply it should be. You’re simply inventing your own definitions and separating out things that can’t be separated.
CEO is a libertarian idiot who can’t see any difference between American Republicans and Democrats. CEO doesn’t have absolute control of proton, that’s a board of other privacy advocates. Proton as a service provider is still safe despite their CEO being a political twit.
IMO: A libertarian who doesn’t understand any value in why a government could possibly be good is the kind of person I want running an encryption service company. Wouldn’t trust him for running anything else though.
Devils advocate: Both parties love the alphabet agencies unconditionally and historically saw no problem with them. Still waiting for the Snowden wrist slap to happen. He is a bigger idiot for not letting public relations for the company handle his opinion.
Yeah, I’ll wait for him to start telling Engineers that the encryption infrastructure has to be done his way. And telling the proton board that the engineers are all liars.
I seem to be out of the loop in regards to proton controversy and I haven’t found anything outstanding against them…
Can you help me understand what you’re specifically referring to? I’m a proton user… so kinda want to know lol
https://theintercept.com/2025/01/28/proton-mail-andy-yen-trump-republicans/
as far as I can tell their CEO is a semi alt right cunt. Apart from that everythin seems pretty okay and the recent shift to nonprofit status is cool
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Holy shit dude, talk about binary braindead mentalities. Yeah, it’s true that a lot of the discussion around this misses a lot of important information, but this shit is literally a matter life and death here now for some people, and Andy Yen made that post right in the middle of a whole bunch of tech CEOs all kissing the ring. Americans are on edge for a damn good reason. That’s a good article, and I’m pretty convinced the whole thing was overblown, but if you can’t understand the difference between not trusting the guy who just praised a fascist and “trying to infect the rest of the world” then don’t fucking talk about other people being too binary in their thinking.
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Can’t understand the difference between defending people who made a hasty decision when their life is on the line if they trust the wrong person and still supporting that decision now that there’s been time to analyze things? Wow, you’re 2 for 2 on the bullshit binary thinking on the basis of your bullshit stereotypes. Good job!
You complain about “binary thinking” and then go on to claim that all Beehaw users think alike?
But I have already sharpened my pitchfork.
Thanks for sharing the other side of the story.
Thanks for sharing this. I saw Andy’s tweet and the outrage and did not form an understanding deeper than “people who dislike Trump are upset at Proton”.
I’ve bookmarked this link and will share it when I see this topic brought up.
Thank you for posting this, it’s convincing.
Hear, hear!
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😂 does everything have to be political now? I don’t care if the dude is a space alien who birthed Hitler, if the service is solid, I’m using it.
It has always been. FOSS is by itself political, just beyond the basic binary logic of left/right.
Your apoliticism is a political instance as well. Take for instance this quoute from Desmond Tutu “If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor.”
I’m not saying you have to ditch Proton over their CEO’s takes, my point is that thinking that everything suddenly became political is naive.
It’s all so tiring
How do you think the people that are directly affected feel about it?
Nobody said trying to lead an ethical life was a vacation
Agree, but that’s reality. People suck, world sucks, life sucks.
You don’t have to change your lifestyle over whatever thing that <random person you don’t know nor care about> decided to say today. It is not wrong to feel that way neither. But, IMO, being aware of that, or at least being open to learn about that stuff, helps a lot to being in peace with it, and eventually, could lead to a more ethical consumption without going to extremes.
Everything has always been political. Just because you’re too privileged to notice that until someone mentions a viewpoint you dislike doesn’t mean anything except that you’re usually oblivious.
Willfully. Politics can suck it
You may as well tell blue skies and green grass to suck it. It exists and dictates your world whether you want it to or not.
That is ignoring the fact that the sky and grass are objective realities. “Politics” is all subjective. These are not the same thing, and your comparison is disingenuous and cynical.
True, you cannot avoid politics if you interact with others, hell, the family itself is the very first political unit. However, politics in the sense of news and elections is not the same, and is entirely avoidable. Your friends and families will tell you the important things anyway… it reminds me of the old blog post about avoiding the news, by Aaron Schwartz, well worth a read http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/hatethenews
What’s the difference between your friends and family telling you important things and commenters here doing so?
While the interpretation and assessment may be different, they’re fundamentally the same.
I really don’t get the distinction between objective reality and subjective politics. They were mentioning the objective reality of politics influence, not the subjective practice of politics.
It doesn’t matter if it’s subjective or objective, it exists.
I don’t need a lecture about Aaron Schwartz and I assure you he wasn’t so childish as to think politics should be ignored and “suck it” in the way you imply it should be. You’re simply inventing your own definitions and separating out things that can’t be separated.
CEO is a libertarian idiot who can’t see any difference between American Republicans and Democrats. CEO doesn’t have absolute control of proton, that’s a board of other privacy advocates. Proton as a service provider is still safe despite their CEO being a political twit.
IMO: A libertarian who doesn’t understand any value in why a government could possibly be good is the kind of person I want running an encryption service company. Wouldn’t trust him for running anything else though.
Devils advocate: Both parties love the alphabet agencies unconditionally and historically saw no problem with them. Still waiting for the Snowden wrist slap to happen. He is a bigger idiot for not letting public relations for the company handle his opinion.
That twit was allowed to use the company’s Mastodon account to double-down on his shitty political post
Yeah, I’ll wait for him to start telling Engineers that the encryption infrastructure has to be done his way. And telling the proton board that the engineers are all liars.