• will@lemm.ee
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    11 hours ago

    I know this is mostly a joke, but for anyone interested in this sort of thing I highly recommend you check out The Dawn of Everything, which goes into exhaustive detail about how in some places cities existed before agriculture, and in others agriculture existed for a long while without cities. (And by “check out” I mean prepare to devote long nights to reading with a million Wikipedia tabs open)

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      9 hours ago

      I read through the summary, and it sounds a lot like how evolutionary development is perceived by the layperson vs. how complex it really is, including the deception that we are at some high point. So the next question in my mind, and based on the summary the authors left to explore as the answer is probably a difficult one to find - are there paths that could have been traveled which didn’t lead to similar messes like we find ourselves in? One assumption is always that capitalism and consumption and all that comes with them is inevitable. Maybe not? It would ruin this meme that I found very fitting for society, but that’s again based on an inevitable conclusion to be true.

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        8 minutes ago

        The ancient Greeks remembered their hunter gatherer tribal ancestors as living in a golden age, when everyone was equal and the gods walked among men

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        8 hours ago

        The premise is that humanity has had 10,000+ years to experiment with different ways of living on all corners of the Earth, so it’s ridiculous to say that the modern system that we’ve evolved with division of labor and accumulated wealth is the only possible way (or the inevitable way) - which was kinda the premise of Sapiens. And then they back it up with a ton of modern archaeological evidence. It’s a little dry and admittedly academic, but really compelling once you dig into it.

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      10 hours ago

      Came to share the same text. It adds a needed level of complexity to this joke and has some incredibly eye opening connections between historical events. The world would be a better place if everyone read this book