• Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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    You’re not really giving any actual examples of automation shortening the work week in socialist countries here, unless a socialist country for you is the UK in the 70’s and unless automation for you is a maoists uprising against landlords.

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      You’re not really giving any actual examples of automation shortening the work week in socialist countries

      I pointed you directly to the 8-day workweek, which was the consequence of socialist reforms following the industrial revolution.

      You can find the same reforms implemented in socialist states ranging from Lenin’s Russia to Sankara’s Burkino Faso. It wasn’t just in England that we got statutory limits on the labor day and rules for overtime pay.

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        I pointed you directly to the 8-day workweek, which was the consequence of socialist reforms following the industrial revolution.

        And again it’s not an achievement of socialist countries specifically. It happened (and originated) in the capitalist countries too.

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          it’s not an achievement of socialist countries specifically

          It is an achievement of socialism, specifically.

          And when the socialists get control of the whole country, it becomes an achievement of a socialist country

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            But have socialist countries have such work day shortenings that would be specific to socialist countries?

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                  14 hours ago

                  https://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/events/revolution/documents/1917/10/29.htm

                  In the Soviet Union, the eight-hour day was introduced four days after the October Revolution, by a Decree of the Soviet government in 1917

                  https://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/government/1928/sufds/ch17.htm#%3A~%3Atext=On+the+other+hand+the%2Cworking+day+averaged+7.5+hours.

                  The labor efficiency has risen through better industrial processes and better machinery. Output per worker in the Soviet Union is still low by Western European standards, but it has been showing a healthy rate of advance. The advance has been aided by a campaign against absenteeism. In 1913 the days of actual work per worker in industry were 257. In the fiscal year 1921-22 they had fallen to 219.5. In 1926-27 they were 262.1.

                  On the other hand the length of the normal working day, which was 10 hours before the war, was reduced to 8 hours at the beginning of the Soviet régime, and for dangerous occupations to 6 hours. During 1926-27 the working day averaged 7.5 hours.

                  The Council of People’s Commissars, on the occasion of the tenth anniversary of the Soviet State, in November, 1927, decreed the gradual introduction of the 7-hour day in industry. This is being put in force first in the textile industry.

                  From the 1928 release of Soviet Union Information Bureau report on labor.

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                    I’m not sure how you aren’t getting this, 8 hour workday wasn’t specific to socialist countries. I want something where socialist countries benefited from their system compared to capitalist ones.