Super fun and challenging, most likely. Some of the roads are likely difficult on a bike.Lots of other state parks that are accessible by bike besides those two. Heres a great list that includes a bunch.
Paying in $35/yr so the state parks can be maintained and improved is a very reasonable cost, especially with all the damage people and cars do to them.
Like Paradise at Mt. Rainier, Hoh Rain Forest, 4 Caves, and Wallace Falls. Actually at Wallace Falls, you can ride your bike once you get it there, but you might be chased and killed by a mountain lion. You can be killed as a hiker too, but people on bikes look like prey.
Neat article. Can you link me to one about the tens of thousands of mountain bikers in Washington that were not chased by cougars?
All outdoor activities in nature carry risk, some more than others. By far the most dangerous thing for cyclists is motorists, not wildlife. If you can safely navigate the roads to get to a park, your other risks are minimal in comparison.
I can’t get over your sense of entitlement on this. You think everyone is healthy enough to ride a bike and be excluded from the amazing views and experiences of national and state parks because they’re poor and drive a car? You are in a bubble. I’m glad you like bikes and feel that sense of superiority when you don’t have to pay parking. The point is, the commons have to be paid for.
Do you understand how far everything is in the US and how much there is a lack of public transportation? Again, you are acting entitled because you have an amazing infrastructure that we don’t have.
The US, Washington State specifically, is incredibly gorgeous but these amazing parks are 4 hours away from Seattle by car sometimes. It would probably take you days to get within 2 hours distance with public transportation.
The “amazing infrastructure” I used to get to the shops included an unpaved road and muddy track along with having to carry my bike over a fence depending on the route I took. But there was a short section of road that didn’t have that many holes in it once I got to the middle of town.
Ha, sense of entitlement eh? That’s a quick pivot away from your weak point about “bikes are dangerous because of rare mountain lion attacks” i guess. Now trying to call me abelist and classist as a random jab? Sure thing, pal.
The common is the commons and has to be paid for. Without funding the commons falls to “the tragedy of the commons,” where the common good is destroyed by overuse and neglect. Washington has opted to protect the parks with a minimal, once a year fee to the people doing the most damage to the commons, drivers, that you are complaining about.
So you think the people using a common good and doing the most damage to it should not pay for that use? Why should the poor people without cars, the people who aren’t able to bike or drive, pay for your visit?
So you think the people using a common good and doing the most damage to it should not pay for that use? Why should the poor people without cars, the people who aren’t able to bike or drive, pay for your visit?
Because that’s what our taxes are for. That’s what we’re paying for, the commons. Drivers licenses, car registrations, etc., yeah sure, I can see why we pay for that.
I’d also prefer this to be rolled into an income tax, but Washington doesn’t have one. The state only has a regressive sales taxes, one that has an outsized impact on our poorest citizens.
By making this a “fee for use,” it at least minimizes the damage to the poor who can’t access the parks at all.
Yep, someone who expresses confusion at the idea of bicycling 10s or hundreds of miles to a national park… obviously they must be rolling coal and hate mother earth.
Have you tried cycling to Deception Pass or Hurricane Ridge? Let me know how much fun that is.
Super fun and challenging, most likely. Some of the roads are likely difficult on a bike.Lots of other state parks that are accessible by bike besides those two. Heres a great list that includes a bunch.
Paying in $35/yr so the state parks can be maintained and improved is a very reasonable cost, especially with all the damage people and cars do to them.
Like Paradise at Mt. Rainier, Hoh Rain Forest, 4 Caves, and Wallace Falls. Actually at Wallace Falls, you can ride your bike once you get it there, but you might be chased and killed by a mountain lion. You can be killed as a hiker too, but people on bikes look like prey.
https://www.outdoorlife.com/survival/washington-bikers-fight-cougar/
I’m not anti-bike, I’m anti bike for everything and all situations. A lot of bike enthusiasts are not living in reality.
Edit: Also, because your poor and can’t afford parking, you can’t take your family? Or do you expect everyone to have bikes?
Neat article. Can you link me to one about the tens of thousands of mountain bikers in Washington that were not chased by cougars?
All outdoor activities in nature carry risk, some more than others. By far the most dangerous thing for cyclists is motorists, not wildlife. If you can safely navigate the roads to get to a park, your other risks are minimal in comparison.
I can’t get over your sense of entitlement on this. You think everyone is healthy enough to ride a bike and be excluded from the amazing views and experiences of national and state parks because they’re poor and drive a car? You are in a bubble. I’m glad you like bikes and feel that sense of superiority when you don’t have to pay parking. The point is, the commons have to be paid for.
TIL I am entitled for being too poor to ever learn to drive.
Fortunately I live in the UK so it is pretty easy. Grew up in a small town, easy to get anywhere in under 15 mins by bike.
Do you understand how far everything is in the US and how much there is a lack of public transportation? Again, you are acting entitled because you have an amazing infrastructure that we don’t have.
The US, Washington State specifically, is incredibly gorgeous but these amazing parks are 4 hours away from Seattle by car sometimes. It would probably take you days to get within 2 hours distance with public transportation.
The “amazing infrastructure” I used to get to the shops included an unpaved road and muddy track along with having to carry my bike over a fence depending on the route I took. But there was a short section of road that didn’t have that many holes in it once I got to the middle of town.
Ha, sense of entitlement eh? That’s a quick pivot away from your weak point about “bikes are dangerous because of rare mountain lion attacks” i guess. Now trying to call me abelist and classist as a random jab? Sure thing, pal.
The common is the commons and has to be paid for. Without funding the commons falls to “the tragedy of the commons,” where the common good is destroyed by overuse and neglect. Washington has opted to protect the parks with a minimal, once a year fee to the people doing the most damage to the commons, drivers, that you are complaining about.
So you think the people using a common good and doing the most damage to it should not pay for that use? Why should the poor people without cars, the people who aren’t able to bike or drive, pay for your visit?
Because that’s what our taxes are for. That’s what we’re paying for, the commons. Drivers licenses, car registrations, etc., yeah sure, I can see why we pay for that.
I’d also prefer this to be rolled into an income tax, but Washington doesn’t have one. The state only has a regressive sales taxes, one that has an outsized impact on our poorest citizens.
By making this a “fee for use,” it at least minimizes the damage to the poor who can’t access the parks at all.
IMO, they should have made out of state people pay more and Washington State residents pay nothing, like they do in Hawaii.
… You are the one who jumped from:
Cougar attacks are a legitimate concern for hikers and bikers.
(which is absolutely a true statement)
to…:
Oh yeah? 10,000 bicyclists get attacked by Cougars each year in National Parks?
SOURCE PLEASE!
…
Bro you astonishingly hyperbolized and strawmanned pele and then got mad about shit you made up in your head that they didn’t say.
This is the most twitter brained ‘discussion style’ I’ve seen on lemmy in a while.
Good job pointing out @[email protected]’s disingenuous argumentation!
Just make sure you never leave your F-150, in case a bear or cougar gets you. Wal-Mart parking lots are the most dangerous.
Yep, someone who expresses confusion at the idea of bicycling 10s or hundreds of miles to a national park… obviously they must be rolling coal and hate mother earth.
You are delusional.