Imagine if Microsoft banned Windows users from downloading software outside the Microsoft store.
Imagine if Microsoft required all Software developers to give them 30% of their income or be banned from Windows
This is nothing but pure extortion.
Thank god for the EU, which forced Apple to back down:
Fortnite, one of the world’s biggest video games, is available as an iPhone app for the first time in four years. However, it will only be available to players in the European Union. This is because EU law requires Apple to allow third-party app stores on its devices - other parts of the world do not have comparable legislation. The game was removed from the App Store in 2020 following a payments row between Apple and Epic.
The only reason these things haven’t happened is that Microsoft was banned from doing them back in the 90s. They absolutely wanted to require a Microsoft Account (then called a Passport) in Windows XP. The ban was in place until just after Windows 7 came out.
Blame the government for doing nothing to protect consumers since 1999.
Microsoft bans Xbox users from downloading unlicensed software.
I’m curious what that would even look like. The only thing you can install on an Xbox is Xbox games, where are you getting the Xbox games from if not the official publisher?
Imagine if Microsoft banned Windows users from downloading software outside the Microsoft store.
That was comparing desktop OS to mobile OS, which is why the person to which I replied pointed out this is different than macOS.
On your second point, neither is iOS a workstation, and one could just as easily say, “The only thing you’d want to install is mobile apps.” Okay but the problem isn’t the type of apps, it is the source of those apps. So either you should be able to get application / games from multiple sources or not.
If you think those initial downvotes were due to some pedantic distinction about workstation, and not because somebody indirectly implied that Microsoft and Apple were on similar footing in this regard, fine.
Yes it is. It’s a general computing device. The XBOX is a dedicated gaming device.
Okay but the problem isn’t the type of apps
As far as this discussion, it very much is.
So either you should be able to get application / games from multiple sources or not.
You absolutely should be able to on all platforms, but some are more important than others and comparing them like they’re all the same makes no sense.
A duopoly doesn’t require a 50/50 market share. It simply requires them to be the only real options and to both engage in similar anti-consumer practises.
Doubtful. These numbers provided are completely wrong. Back when files were leaked during this very trial, Epic revealed they had 3 to 4 times more players on Playstations than Xboxes everywhere other than the US.
I don’t like Microsoft, and I agree sideloading should be a thing on consoles too, but they definitely do not hold a majority of the console market, let alone a monopoly.
Additionally looking at the faq for that site it appears to get its data via page views. What % of console users actually use the browser? Is bet very few. Especially when you consider the ps5 has no built in browser.
There is no restriction on Macs, which is equivalent to Windows. You picked Microsoft just to make a straw man argument.
We need to see these changes across all mobile devices and gaming consoles. All of them are charging around 30% fee and devices are locked in. Hope this is just the beginning.
Device lock-in is a symptom of a wider issue: the users are not in control of their computing. Charging for services is fine but a company deciding what you are allowed to do with your own property is unjust.
Change their post to say Microsoft’s old phone brand OS instead of desktop Windows and what changes? You don’t need to pick an equivalent to highlight a single aspect for comparison when arguing for a position.
Imagine if Microsoft banned Windows users from downloading software outside the Microsoft store.
Imagine if Microsoft required all Software developers to give them 30% of their income or be banned from Windows
This is nothing but pure extortion.
Thank god for the EU, which forced Apple to back down:
Fortnite, one of the world’s biggest video games, is available as an iPhone app for the first time in four years. However, it will only be available to players in the European Union. This is because EU law requires Apple to allow third-party app stores on its devices - other parts of the world do not have comparable legislation. The game was removed from the App Store in 2020 following a payments row between Apple and Epic.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c70j5rx72yvo
As for canadians/americans, they are in jail.
Imagine your friend in Europe sends you a phone invite to play .
-“Oh. I’m sorry but I am not allowed to do that 😢”
This isn’t the EU, this is the US. Epic Games will be back in the App Store in US next week.
The only reason these things haven’t happened is that Microsoft was banned from doing them back in the 90s. They absolutely wanted to require a Microsoft Account (then called a Passport) in Windows XP. The ban was in place until just after Windows 7 came out.
Blame the government for doing nothing to protect consumers since 1999.
Apple doesn’t ban Mac users from downloading software outside the App Store.
Microsoft bans Xbox users from downloading unlicensed software.
I’m curious what that would even look like. The only thing you can install on an Xbox is Xbox games, where are you getting the Xbox games from if not the official publisher?
That this completely true observation has twice the downvotes than upvotes highlights this community’s views on Apple.
No one was talking about Mac.
XBOX is not a workstation. The only thing you’d want to install on it is games. That’s like, the whole point.
That was comparing desktop OS to mobile OS, which is why the person to which I replied pointed out this is different than macOS.
On your second point, neither is iOS a workstation, and one could just as easily say, “The only thing you’d want to install is mobile apps.” Okay but the problem isn’t the type of apps, it is the source of those apps. So either you should be able to get application / games from multiple sources or not.
If you think those initial downvotes were due to some pedantic distinction about workstation, and not because somebody indirectly implied that Microsoft and Apple were on similar footing in this regard, fine.
It doesn’t matter. The point stands.
Yes it is. It’s a general computing device. The XBOX is a dedicated gaming device.
As far as this discussion, it very much is.
You absolutely should be able to on all platforms, but some are more important than others and comparing them like they’re all the same makes no sense.
Sure, Jan.
The Xbox doesn’t have the majority of the gaming market.
The smartphone market is basically a duopoly.
Noe does iOS, Android has the vast majority of the smartphone market
A duopoly doesn’t require a 50/50 market share. It simply requires them to be the only real options and to both engage in similar anti-consumer practises.
This says Xbox has over 60% of global market share:
https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/console/worldwide/
Fair enough.
I think hardware companies should make money selling devices. They should be banned from jailing their users in a locked proprietary ecosystem.
Doubtful. These numbers provided are completely wrong. Back when files were leaked during this very trial, Epic revealed they had 3 to 4 times more players on Playstations than Xboxes everywhere other than the US.
Accorsing to Statista (accesible on a third party site if you want to avoid registring), Xbox only has 23% of the market (as opposee to PS’s 45% and Nintendo’s 27%).
I don’t like Microsoft, and I agree sideloading should be a thing on consoles too, but they definitely do not hold a majority of the console market, let alone a monopoly.
Tbh I think that data is incredibly misleading. Every single generation of PlayStation has outsold the Xbox of the same generation(yes even the ps3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles.
Additionally looking at the faq for that site it appears to get its data via page views. What % of console users actually use the browser? Is bet very few. Especially when you consider the ps5 has no built in browser.
There is no restriction on Macs, which is equivalent to Windows. You picked Microsoft just to make a straw man argument.
We need to see these changes across all mobile devices and gaming consoles. All of them are charging around 30% fee and devices are locked in. Hope this is just the beginning.
There’s no need to get offended. Replace MS with MacOS and the point stands.
Device lock-in is a symptom of a wider issue: the users are not in control of their computing. Charging for services is fine but a company deciding what you are allowed to do with your own property is unjust.
Change their post to say Microsoft’s old phone brand OS instead of desktop Windows and what changes? You don’t need to pick an equivalent to highlight a single aspect for comparison when arguing for a position.