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My mom was just telling me a while ago about how one of her uncles was tortured by the communists after they came to power. Small note: he was a member of the legionnaires, so I can relate to this meme.
Sounds like a racist who was a part of a terrorist group.
Both can be pieces of shit.
First they came for the grandfathers and I did not speak out, for my grandfather was a Nazi.
Didn’t know the Cambodians, Polish, Kalmyks, Kazakhs, Tatars, Ukrainians, Anarchists, Left SRs, Trotskyists and Peasants were all Nazis. Must be fun to live in that world.
The Finns who died defending their homeland from naked, opportunistic Soviet imperialism also wish to say hi.
Ah yes, the poor innocent nazi aligned fins “only doing it to fight communism.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-11/report-finds-finnish-soldiers-were-complicit-in-wwii-atrocities/10798222Have you ever – even once – thought that if:
- The USSR hadn’t started the Winter War under the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact it signed on friendly terms with Nazi Germany to grab more land while the rest of Europe wasn’t in a position to help, killing and wounding tens of thousands of Finns
- The USSR hadn’t stolen 10% of Finland’s land in exchange for what can generously be described as a “promise” of peace
- The USSR hadn’t scuttled Finland’s attempts afterward to develop a defensive pact with Norway and Sweden
- The USSR hadn’t invaded and absorbed the Baltic states as part of the same pact with Nazi Germany
- The USSR hadn’t demanded mineral rights already given to the UK and then instigated riots in Finland when they didn’t get what they wanted
- The USSR hadn’t interfered with the December 1940 Finnish election
- The USSR had offered to return Finland’s land when it realized “oh no, the consequences of my own actions: Finland is allied militarily with Nazi Germany now.”
- The USSR had been on friendly terms with Finland instead of giving them what every serious historian describes as no realistic opportunity not to ally with Germany
That maybe they wouldn’t have been forced to ally with Germany in the Continuation War? That Finland might have remained neutral or even joined in with the Allies which the Soviets were a part of? You can even look in the article you’re linking to the article you’re linking to:
As a part of the pact, Nazi SS chief Heinrich Himmler insisted that the Finns dispatch [1408] soldiers to the SS Wiking division similar to the volunteers it demanded from Nazi-occupied Belgium, Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway and elsewhere.
Reluctantly, Finns complied and covertly recruited the first group of 400 SS volunteers to be sent for training.
The leading Finnish military historians who undertook the probe into the country’s wartime role wrote that those Finnish troops likely witnessed shootings and other atrocities against Jews and other civilians by advancing Nazi troops.
This was all done reluctantly. The Finns had no ideological alignment with the Nazis; it was done purely out of necessity because of the USSR’s – again – nakedly imperialist actions. You have zero intellectual integrity. None. Your rhetoric relies not on a convincing argument but on the reader’s ignorance. And I’m not even a little surprised to see you sticking up for Putin’s genocidal invasion of Ukraine elsewhere.
So you just stated that Russia was imperialistic. That in itself should give you more context about the kind of nation Russia was. Communism is a way of thought not anyone nation. Think more critically about what you say.
Post says: “communists killed”. Not “communism killed”. The USSR were communists. The Finns were innocent when the USSR invaded them. Communists killed tens of thousands of innocents in that invasion. The entire aim of this post is to disingenuously suggest that anytime someone brings up the innocent victims of the USSR, they’re actually defending the Nazis killed in WWII.
That’s not what you wrote though. You biased is showing.
Did Trotsky have grandchildren? Or did the Communists exterminate his entire family line?
His grandson died 2 years ago https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/06/17/este-j17.html
Yes, plenty. of his great granddaughters is an official at the NIH https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nora_Volkow
Oh cool, I’m going to listen to her thing with The Moth later, thank you!
Two things are true at once:
- They did crimes
- They fought even bigger criminals
And two things are true at once:
- Descendants of their innocent victims consider them monsters, and they are correct and valid.
- Descendants of the even bigger criminals that got “neutralized” hide among the other category, and they are dishonest.
The only correct take in capitalism-communism discourse
No, this is the for the Communism-fascism discourse.
When it comes to Communism-capitalism, my take is that while we are able, correct and valid to pinpoint the crimes of (big-C) Communists, we are steeped in (small-c) capitalist ideology and are completely desensitized to the ongoing systemic crimes of our own system, which are in my opinion graver than anything the (big-C) Communists ever did.
Fair point. I definitely feel like the shortcomings of capitalism will become more evident if/when we eventually switch to a different politico-economic model. For now, the propaganda is still prevalent.
Mao and his CCP thugs murdered over 70 million who disagreed with them and it continues to this very day. Fuck the fascists and communists.
Your entire comment history reads like a typical BlueMAGA shitlib, you are an enabler of fascism
They always are. Cowards who are to chicken to admit what they believe.
Such a profoundly dense thing to post, it could have only been made up by an American. How can anyone have such compartmentilized view of history is truly beyond me, unless of course they are incredibly ignorant or some kind of Putin’s lapdog, like Medvyedev, actively engaged in the denial of atrocites.
The grandfather:
Georgi Markov, Bulgarian screenwriter, poisoned by the secret police.
Jan Zahradníček, Czech poet and writer bound to a wheelchair. Absolutely of no threat to the regime. Tortured and killed.
The 22 000 Polish grandfathers and potentional grandfathers killed simply for the crime of not being born Russian:
Fuck fascists, fucking kill them. That includes the officials of whatever totalitarian communist regime you think is “a vibe”
never mind. latter is the case. This poster is a Putin fanboy and Uyghur genocide denier. All his posts read like the typical former /pol/ kid turned tankie.
no doubt i will also get banned for saying this, since they’re also moderator here.
go ahead товарищ комиϟϟар, play out your little fash fantasy.
Got to keep pulling out little snippets without following the entire fucking thread.
It’s remarkable people will regurgitate the uyghur bullshit propaganda with zero credible evidence but will ignore that ukrainians are primarily Nazi with tons of evidence
It’s amazing how shitlibs always assume the critique of US empire automatically is an endorsement of Putin. BlueMAGA is full of the same delusions as MAGA
Bud it’s OK to say both are pieces of shit.
Oh hey, nice logic you got here. If I find a nazi in the russian army, is it OK for me to bomb a city or two? What if I find two, what percentage of the Russian territory I am allowed to turn into rubble?
The Soviets near completely eradicated the Baltic intelligentsia by killings and exiles into Siberia. Claiming that all those people had it coming for them is certainly a wild take. Most were exiled for simply being slightly richer than their neighbours.
My wife’s grandparents were exiled somewhere near Murmansk, but were returned quite early because grandfather was a millman and Lithuanian SSR was short on those.
Close to me there is a place where on one side of the road, Nazis murdered the Jews and on another side, communists murdered Lithuanian intellectuals. The Nazi side had ruthless efficiency. The Soviet side had inhuman brutality.
Your stupid.
Nazi literally would sow children together.
Learn to read.
You’re*
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You also missed “nazi”, where’s your sargent???
Your stupid.
Nazi literally would sow children together.
Learn to read.
Learn to write
Better then defending my nazi GP. At least be proud of what you are coward.
Better then defending my nazi GP. At least be proud of what you are coward.
What the fuck are you on about?
Such a profoundly dense thing to post, it could have only been made up by an American. How can anyone have such compartmentilized view of history is truly beyond me, unless of course they are incredibly ignorant or some kind of Putin’s lapdog,
It’s mostly narcissism with some ignorance.
I used to hang out in alternative communities. And if you listen to people who promote full communism as a good way to run a society, you realize that their entire proposition hinges on there being no “evil” people. Their mind seems to operate on the idea that their society will be so perfect that there wont be any corrupt people who lie, steal, cheat and try to take advantage of others or if they are they will instantly and always be caught.
Same thing with anarchists. They love to talk all flowery and nice about their mostly anarchist commune with 10 people. And just dismiss the idea that it wouldn’t work with 10 million.
What do you think could be a better system?
Some sort of hybrid system. On a large scale it’s almost impossible to go full communism, capitalism, etc. without the minor flaws compounding and causing issues.
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you know what? this is just sad. i didn’t write any threat, and I am not so dumb to give my info to most likely a russian bot. Do yourself a favor and plant your head into a wall several times if you wish to have your ass beaten so much.
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meaning “I can take a pretty good look at germany, who are you to lecture me?” you inbred, socially inept, instance hopping, pathetic excuse for a communist. No wonder you look at dictatorship and see all sunshine and rainbows. With annoying dipshit like you it would be straight to the uranium mines, no matter how loyal to the party you’d be, keep telling yourself you’d be the secretary or something.
Hey maybe you could actually practice your Sieg Heil pronunciation while you’re there. Fuck off. blocking you and all your alts.
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Yes, and AFD is more popular in East Germany.
What’s your point?
I think that actually says loads about east Germany
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I mean you can say that. At the same time I grew up in a communist country where your neighbours were disappeared for whatever reason that authorities saw fit. I saw the oligarchs keep their power under a different name and regular folk stay poor, and get even poorer than before. You American kids love the idea of communism but it don’t work in practice, it requires humans to be selfless, it requires leaders who will reach the top and give up power and money, and spread it to the people below. I don’t think that’s possible with humans, too selfish. Socialism under direct rules and regulations, great. But strong man communism isn’t different than fascism or capitalism to the people at the bottom
I can’t believe you called me American.
Nice joke
The only joke is believing what Russia does or has ever done should inform your opinion on whether a system is viable.
Those dudes just love the taste of boot, simple as.
Too bad there’s not a comm for enlightenedcentrism around here
They literally say they grew up in Canada repeatedly in earlier comments they’ve made , TIL Canada is AES
Enlightened centrism is when you don’t want your neighbors to be disappeared.
Yeah, or they were LGBTQ+.
Or a slightly different version of communist.
Or any other flavor of leftist.
Talking as if the US didn’t keep them in harms way. This is a nation that mastered the art of eugenics
And worked hard to save and evacuate nazis.
Among them Mengele who Hitler sent to the US (Carnegie’s American Eugenics Society) to learn about the superior Nordic race.
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Thats how its starts, first you tell them there are nazis and you want to liberate them from the nazis. Than you invade theyr countrie. Read about siberian gulags and how many “nazi grandperants” were sent there before boot licking these commies.
reading that article, I mostly read that’s it’s debated and that what the famine were weaponized. Also, commentary on communism being the cause of them is largely dependent on the critic eye
Uh… Who the hell cares about any of that? Whether the Soviets shirked their responsibility to keep their (forcibly incorporated, mind you) subjects fed due to malice or malice-fueled incompetence matters about as much as whether the IDF is mass-murdering Gazans because they want to mass murder Gazans or because they’re bombing any target their shitty AI gives them.
yeah so… we’re talking about weather to put all the blame on communism in general. Communism is an ideology, not a government ?
The OP says communists, not communism so I’m not sure what brought that on.
Its debated by russian historical revisionism Most communist crimed have not seen wide coverage in english. This is why it’s not okay to fly swastika but cool to fly hammer and cycle.
You can fly the hammer and sickle the same way you can fly the US flag, or the Chinese, or UK, or Turkish flags.
The difference being having a flag under which atrocities were done, vs having a flag that represents the reason behind those atrocities.
Uhhh… Who’s going to tell them what the official national flag of Germany was from 1935 to 1945?
Me?
Yes. Who’s going to tell you that the black swastika in a white circle in a red rectangle was the official flag of Nazi Germany’s government? This is the flag “under which atrocities were done”, i.e. under which the Holocaust happened and under which Germany plunged the world into WWII. If your argument is that this isn’t “a flag under which atrocities were done” but rather “a flag that represents the reason behind those atrocities”, then why doesn’t the hammer and sickle represent the reason behind the Holodomor? Behind all the other extreme atrocities committed by the USSR? Otherwise, if your argument is that it is a flag under which atrocities were done like the hammer and sickle, and you’re saying the hammer and sickle are fine to fly, then what’s the difference with flying the flag of Nazi Germany? I don’t think either of these despicable flags should be flown, to be clear, but I’m asking why you take exception here based on your own argument (or, if you don’t take exception, what the hell is wrong with you).
Basically what I’m saying is that your rationale of “having a flag under which atrocities were done, vs having a flag that represents the reason behind those atrocities” makes zero sense and is comparing functionally the same thing.
it’s perfectly clear in my first comment.
Atrocities were committed under the US flag. Do you think it shouldn’t be flown? The same way for the UK, China, Netherlands etc should all those flags be forbidden?
The reasoning is clear. Those flags represent much more than just those atrocities. The nazi flag doesn’t. The same way the Confederation flag also doesn’t.
The hammer and sickle is flown in plenty of places not in defense of atrocities like holodomor but for many other reasons. And you will find that the people flying that symbol will generally agree and not defend Holodomor.
Also because communism is an ideology and not a movement of one country only.
Where I’m from the hammer and sickle is a symbol of liberation and workers rights for example.
I mean, Stalinism wasn’t communism, so that’s a fair point.
Reminds me of the “real capitalism has never been tried” that right-wing libertarians retreat to when you point out the massive flaws which occur under capitalism – namely that those ills are the product of bastardizing capitalism with government regulation (“crony capitalism”). Where of course they get to dictate exactly what “real capitalism” is against the consensus of historians and economists– usually pure laissez-faire capitalism.
That is a pretty wild generalisation to make. From me claiming one person that pretended to be a communist wasn’t to somehow me being a… Soviet fanboy or something? Stalin and Mao both committed atrocities, pretending to be something they aren’t. China keeps doing it to this day, as does DPRK. Lenin wasn’t a saint folks over at .ml pretend he was either. People get corrupted by power, it happens depressingly often under any political ideology.
Fuck all fascists and fuck all communists.
When your ideology justifies genocide it means your ideology is pure evil.You advocating for Democrats makes you a supporter of that fascism. 50 years of liberal ‘lesser evil’ was actually incremental fascism
Checks notes on Communism…
Doesn’t say anything about genocide here chief.
mao, Stalin ect
Those are leaders that did genocide, not a property of communism. You don’t need to do genocide to have a communistic system. Communism was the first economic strategy humans did. It worked just fine without genocide.
Also this is a category error. It’s like if someone claimed that capitalism is genocidal. No, it’s not. Capitalism like communism is a method to distribute goods and services. Neither have anything to say about genocide.
i see what ur saying, but litlery every implementation of comunism ever has been with an authoritarian govt and that doesnt end well at all
I am not advocating for communism right now. I don’t even know how we would make that work given the size and scale of things. I think fascism is a more pressing problem right now anyway. But I think in the future if it seems like we can make something work that looks a bit like communism and it is better than capitalism and we can remain a democratic society, we should be open to it.
I think a nice functional mixed economy is fine, with private property and competition and self regulating markets along with consumer protections and safety nets for poor people and people with mental health problems.
Sounds good, but I do think we need to give the government power to regulate industry and apply pressure to direct the economy generally.
My killed by Headshot.
I went through her papers with my grandma and there was also a letter from his death notification.
