It would’ve continued if we’d left competent people in charge instead of handing the keys over to the absolute WORST people in the world.

Except it’s the “competent” people who paved the way for this mess. You don’t get a Trump without generations of Bidens, Obamas and Reagans. The rot that led to MAGA isn’t something that could’ve just not happened; it needed to be actively avoided years if not decades in advance. Besides, things were getting worse even before Trump so what?

There is no but.

Except as I said there literally is a but. You’re the one creating a false dichotomy here.

We know that Iranian far right religious authoritarian regime killed many people.

Yeah but five figure estimates are basically all propaganda. Not like four-digit numbers of dead protesters are acceptable of course, but calling the 36k figure CIA propaganda is about right.

Democrats need to HAMMER this home: Trump’s war costs EXACTLY this much at the pump, every day. There needs to be a ticker on every news broadcast showing live gas prices around the nation.

Except then they’d have to actually oppose the war, and they won’t do that because their donors support imperialism.

I mean hypothetically successful regime change in Iran (and therefore control over their oil supply) would in theory increase oil prices for China and decrease them for everyone else. The issue is that successful regime change isn’t going to happen in Iran.

He’s spoken out against “singling out Israel due to anti-Jewish hatred,” but from a quick Google he hasn’t outright defended the genocide.

or had their feelings manipulated by the sudden flurry of accusations that Harris must be a Zionist because that wasn’t ingenious propaganda.

Setting aside the accuracy (or lack thereof) of your statement, you think Harris wasn’t a Zionist? Really now?

Jury’s still out on that one. If Iran succeeds in destroying the Gulf’s faith in American protection Israel loses big time. Same if EU countries decide that enough is enough and grow some spine, but I’m not holding my breath for that one.

Costa stressed the need for the EU to protect the international rules-based order, which ​he said ​was now ⁠being challenged by the United States, and for all parties in ​the Middle East to return to ​the ⁠negotiating table.

“We must avoid further escalation. ​Such a path threatens the Middle East, Europe, and ​beyond.”

I mean his heart is within a 10-mile radius of the right place, but the fuck is this guy going to protect when he can’t even condemn the illegal war of regime change that started this whole mess? Like at least pretend to have spine if you’re going to act like the protector of international law.

I mean yes? I want a Dem candidate to promise things Dems want (aka progressive policy, which is consistently popular in polls) and do those things.

Trust me, if scientists were running the world we’d have stopped the use of oil.

Even the “good ones” will be more focused on making sure everyone else knows that they didn’t want this

And how anyone who badmouths their favorite war criminal (cough cough Obama) is a Russian agent trying to sow division and aid the fascists. There’s unfortunately very little true anti-imperialism in America.

If Karma were real Americans would suffer, period.

The current state of the Western world in general should do wonders for one’s belief in karma.

Well nuclear weapons or being a Western lapdog, but yeah pretty much.

What? Rights? Representation? Not ringing any bells.

What? No they won’t. I have never seen anyone being accused of being a liberal for being pro-gun around here.

If anyone is wondering, this is sarcasm.

It’s not a conspiracy when the data shows that there’s the appearance of manipulation.

Except no credible outlet ever gave these concerns any weight. Electoral manipulation in the US would’ve been too huge a deal to be restricted to comments on Lemmy and Twitter.

Furthermore, Harris had plenty of policy statements

And they were all watered down bullshit, contradictory, already broken promises or just terrible. Trump at least said what his supporters wanted him to hear.

Trump rolled up in 2017 and tossed that out the window. And now Trump has decided to further destroy any credibility the US had left by dropping bombs.

And between those two events Biden kept Trump’s sanctions while demanding they unilaterally returned to the agreement, along a host of other mistakes/“mistakes.” It’s not like America would become trustworthy if a blue war hawk was president rather than a red war hawk.

If they can burn through US and Israeli AA munitions they may be able to simply bombard US bases and Israel until maintaining war is effectively impossible.

That’s a reasonable play now, but it does nothing to ensure this won’t happen again. The US has the industrial capacity to ramp that 600 to 6000 if need be.

Except conservatives carry guns to demonstrations and nobody fucks with them, so clearly there’s some merit to the idea.