Genocide is not something you stay at home for and hope it goes away on its own.
You don’t get to claim the ally if all you did was nothing.
OP criticized people who stayed home (choosing to hold on to their purity) instead of voting for the candidates least likely to perpetuate futher suffering.
Going “oh no this trolley problem is so terrible I refuse to even look at the lever” is prioritizing your own moral superiority over the people tied to the tracks.
And such imply that we are voting to start one or not. That’s not on the ballot. The war has already started and we are asking people to vote for the side that cares more about ending it.
It really shows how privileged we are that we take a luxury of picking allies.
Even if someone is taking the position of total Palestine Victory the dems are the better pick as they most likely lead to being ableyto fight another day.
People who didn’t vote because the dems aren’t perfect are the worst allies.
Do Not Wait To Strike Till the Iron Is Hot; But Make It Hot By Striking
And you are on the front line? What is your point?
And no, Democrats give Palestinians no better chance of fighting another day, that just give liberals a license to pretend the genocide isn’t happening.
Maybe you should take your brain out of your skull and wear it.
This is the perfect example of the purity test OP was talking about.
Two people who couldn’t be more clear in their comments how disgusted they are by this obvious ongoing genocide, but yet completely powerless to do anything about it.
One person wants to use the little power they have to steer the country as far away from genocide as they can, and the other who sees that the game is rigged and wants no part in the government claiming their consent.
What’s unfortunate is that you’re directed all you anger at each other since neither knows how to direct it at the people in power.
Democrats give Palestinians no better chance of fighting another day, that just give liberals a license to pretend the genocide isn’t happening.
“Democrats” are not a monolith. Criticize the democrats all you want when they deny the genocide, but when we have candidates saying the following, it does feel like you’re being overly pessimistic about what allies you actually do have available to you inside this broken party:
“As we speak, in this moment, 1.1 million innocents in Gaza are at famine’s door,” Ocasio-Cortez said in her speech Friday. “A famine that is being intentionally precipitated through the blocking of food and global humanitarian assistance by leaders in the Israeli government.”
“If you want to know what an unfolding genocide looks like,” the New York Democrat added, “open your eyes.”
This is the perfect example of the purity test OP was talking about.
I’m comfortable “purity testing” active genocide.
Two people who couldn’t be more clear in their comments how disgusted they are by this obvious ongoing genocide, but yet completely powerless to do anything about it.
Only one of them is committing genocide denial.
What’s unfortunate is that you’re directed all you anger at each other since neither knows how to direct it at the people in power.
I’m angry at people who do genocide denial
Criticize the democrats all you want when they deny the genocide
I am, and I’m being told that I’m “purity testing”
but when we have candidates saying the following
And yet she activity supported the people committing this genocide. And even she is the absolute fringe of the democrats. The ones actually running for president support Israel fully.
No one should be told they’re purity testing for criticizing the democrats.
Purity testing would be saying someone can’t be an ally in criticizing the democrats with you because they’re an enemy for voting for them.
Someone put a coin in my hand and said “heads is genocide, tails is genocide in a different way” and I really cared about not doing genocide so I asked “can I choose none” and they said “you can walk away, but then the coin will be flipped randomly”.
If you walked away from that coin flip and left the consequences to chance, I really don’t have a lot of patience hearing you judge me for all the burden and anxiety I put on myself researching which option was worse so I could make the least worst choice.
Walking away seems the easy choice here. You didn’t stop the genocide, you just washed your hands clean of it.
Criticizing me for choosing, instead of being an ally, saying “that was a tough choice, but don’t give up **here’s what we can do next” is useless.
Instead of saying we should stay home and not vote, suggest something we can do. The endless criticizing of powerless people just trying their best in a shitty situation is why you’re being accused of purity testing.
No one should be told they’re purity testing for criticizing the democrats.
Ok, well I am being. In fact, look at InternetCitizen2’s posts to see him stalking me across different unrelated instances to accuse me of it, among other obviously bad faith accusations.
Purity testing would be saying someone can’t be an ally in criticizing the democrats with you because they’re an enemy for voting for them.
Again, look at his post history. I’m comfortable saying I can’t be an ally with someone like that.
If you walked away from that coin flip and left the consequences to chance, I really don’t have a lot of patience hearing you judge me for all the burden and anxiety I put on myself researching which option was worse so I could make the least worst choice.
That’s fine; so long as you’re actually be honest about what you voted for, which is rare. Most of the people I’m talking to actively deny the Democrat’s evil.
Walking away seems the easy choice here. You didn’t stop the genocide, you just washed your hands clean of it.
Atleast I’m not denying it.
Criticizing me for choosing, instead of being an ally, saying “that was a tough choice, but don’t give up **here’s what we can do next” is useless.
I’ll criticize you if you deny what you chose, if you’re honest about it I’ll merely disagree with you.
Instead of saying we should stay home and not vote, suggest something we can do.
I’m just asking people to stop engaging in genocide denial. If lesser evil voting means rewriting history to exonerate the perpetrators of genocide, then I cannot accept it.
Then put up or shut up yourself, genocide supporter.
I did. Its called being pragmatic to what is happening.
Dems are more likely to pressure Israel for a cease fire. Palestine is losing and need to survive to fight another day. Sorry kid, but your a bad ally and are causing Palestinians to be totally killed with your position.
I did. Its called being pragmatic to what is happening.
Really? You’re in Gaza? I don’t believe you.
Dems are more likely to pressure Israel for a cease fire.
No they aren’t. See? Even you aren’t willing to make a lesser evil argument for the actual democrats; the ones that were all in on Isreals genocide. You have to do genocide denialism to manufacture a more palatable one.
Sorry kid
Are you fucking 12?
but your a bad ally
And you’re an outright enemy.
causing Palestinians to be totally killed with your position.
No, you were just a genocide denier when it was your team doing it.
Democratic loyalists are hellbent on rewriting history to erase the truth, and to cover up the fact that the Democratic party were and are active supporters and participants in the Gaza genocide, and that is at least as dangerous as anything MAGA is doing.
Genocide is not something you stay at home for and hope it goes away on its own.
You don’t get to claim the ally if all you did was nothing.
OP criticized people who stayed home (choosing to hold on to their purity) instead of voting for the candidates least likely to perpetuate futher suffering.
Going “oh no this trolley problem is so terrible I refuse to even look at the lever” is prioritizing your own moral superiority over the people tied to the tracks.
Further
And such imply that we are voting to start one or not. That’s not on the ballot. The war has already started and we are asking people to vote for the side that cares more about ending it.
It really shows how privileged we are that we take a luxury of picking allies.
Even if someone is taking the position of total Palestine Victory the dems are the better pick as they most likely lead to being ableyto fight another day.
People who didn’t vote because the dems aren’t perfect are the worst allies.
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It’s hard to take seriously people who describe “actively committing genocide” as “not perfect”
Damn soldier, you have a lot of luxury commenting from the front line.
Lmk how abstaining strategy is working. Read the part I wrote about living to fight another day.
Maybe take your brain out of the box and wear it.
And you are on the front line? What is your point?
And no, Democrats give Palestinians no better chance of fighting another day, that just give liberals a license to pretend the genocide isn’t happening.
Maybe you should take your brain out of your skull and wear it.
This is the perfect example of the purity test OP was talking about.
Two people who couldn’t be more clear in their comments how disgusted they are by this obvious ongoing genocide, but yet completely powerless to do anything about it.
One person wants to use the little power they have to steer the country as far away from genocide as they can, and the other who sees that the game is rigged and wants no part in the government claiming their consent.
What’s unfortunate is that you’re directed all you anger at each other since neither knows how to direct it at the people in power.
“Democrats” are not a monolith. Criticize the democrats all you want when they deny the genocide, but when we have candidates saying the following, it does feel like you’re being overly pessimistic about what allies you actually do have available to you inside this broken party:
I’m comfortable “purity testing” active genocide.
Only one of them is committing genocide denial.
I’m angry at people who do genocide denial
I am, and I’m being told that I’m “purity testing”
And yet she activity supported the people committing this genocide. And even she is the absolute fringe of the democrats. The ones actually running for president support Israel fully.
No one should be told they’re purity testing for criticizing the democrats.
Purity testing would be saying someone can’t be an ally in criticizing the democrats with you because they’re an enemy for voting for them.
Someone put a coin in my hand and said “heads is genocide, tails is genocide in a different way” and I really cared about not doing genocide so I asked “can I choose none” and they said “you can walk away, but then the coin will be flipped randomly”.
If you walked away from that coin flip and left the consequences to chance, I really don’t have a lot of patience hearing you judge me for all the burden and anxiety I put on myself researching which option was worse so I could make the least worst choice.
Walking away seems the easy choice here. You didn’t stop the genocide, you just washed your hands clean of it.
Criticizing me for choosing, instead of being an ally, saying “that was a tough choice, but don’t give up **here’s what we can do next” is useless.
Instead of saying we should stay home and not vote, suggest something we can do. The endless criticizing of powerless people just trying their best in a shitty situation is why you’re being accused of purity testing.
Ok, well I am being. In fact, look at InternetCitizen2’s posts to see him stalking me across different unrelated instances to accuse me of it, among other obviously bad faith accusations.
Again, look at his post history. I’m comfortable saying I can’t be an ally with someone like that.
That’s fine; so long as you’re actually be honest about what you voted for, which is rare. Most of the people I’m talking to actively deny the Democrat’s evil.
Atleast I’m not denying it.
I’ll criticize you if you deny what you chose, if you’re honest about it I’ll merely disagree with you.
I’m just asking people to stop engaging in genocide denial. If lesser evil voting means rewriting history to exonerate the perpetrators of genocide, then I cannot accept it.
The reality is that you are comfortable letting Palestinians die by promoting inaction of anything that might help them.
No one is denying that it is happening.
Projection.
I have never done that. Lying.
People are absolutely denying that the democrats participated in genocide.
What point are you trying to make with that screeshot?
I’m telling you to put up or shut up. Making purity tests for what is a good ally for those actually dying is insanely tone deaf.
Then put up or shut up yourself, genocide supporter.
I’m comfortable saying that “people who actively commit genocide” aren’t good allies.
I did. Its called being pragmatic to what is happening.
Dems are more likely to pressure Israel for a cease fire. Palestine is losing and need to survive to fight another day. Sorry kid, but your a bad ally and are causing Palestinians to be totally killed with your position.
Really? You’re in Gaza? I don’t believe you.
No they aren’t. See? Even you aren’t willing to make a lesser evil argument for the actual democrats; the ones that were all in on Isreals genocide. You have to do genocide denialism to manufacture a more palatable one.
Are you fucking 12?
And you’re an outright enemy.
No, you were just a genocide denier when it was your team doing it.
Democratic loyalists are hellbent on rewriting history to erase the truth, and to cover up the fact that the Democratic party were and are active supporters and participants in the Gaza genocide, and that is at least as dangerous as anything MAGA is doing.