• frezik@midwest.social
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    22 hours ago

    Or if you use your own machine, you still have to collaborate in ways that require Office for one reason or another.

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      20 hours ago

      None of my desk jobs have ever allowed a personal computer because of the risk of data leaking.

      Was cautioned about an employee at our competitor who used a personal device, it was stolen and it had client data on it including some of their IP, and when that client took legal action, because the employee acted out of company policy they were on the hook for it.

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        19 hours ago

        -> technical device - for productive employees that’s an actual option, but you may have to prove to the organization that they benefit from enabling your full potential

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          Maybe for the positions you may have been in; had I used Linux at any of those other jobs there would constantly be document compatibility issues between LibreOffice and Word, and in an IT position I wouldn’t be able to replicate issues a user is facing, unable to read Windows memory dumps or event logs on my own machine, the RMM doesn’t have a client for a tech to use on Linux, and that’s just scratching the surface.

          The benefits of Linux for me (no ads, no telemetry, familiarity of the terminal and config files, open source, privacy, sticking it to big tech, etc.) just don’t translate into things that would make me more productive at work.

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            document compatibility issues

            Those can be avoided for all documents and presentations that are not written by multiple people at the same time. In practice, such use cases exist, though - but in order to enable my own full productivity I have managed to cut those ties.

            in an IT position I wouldn’t be able to replicate issues a user is facing

            Having to support users of Nadella-Assholesoft (NA) is a whole different issue. No one can reasonably expect to have any job relief because they hate NA when they sign up for an IT support position for NA.

            The benefits of Linux for me (no ads, no telemetry, familiarity of the terminal and config files, open source, privacy, sticking it to big tech, etc.) just don’t translate into things that would make me more productive at work.

            You are obviously prioritizing what’s important to you. That’s pretty normal. However, anyone who wants to and can switch, your switch, fighting the uphill battle to get Linux more widespread. Especially now that the divided states of southern northern america have gone off the deep end and turned full-scale fascism. Any silicon valley oligarch product you manage to cut from your life will protect the lives of innocents in america and elsewhere in the world (palestine, for one).

            Convenience is no longer a good option when it comes with fascism and support of genocidal regimes.

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      only in jobs were you’d be looking for a way out. The only things you can’t do in LibreOffice is be 100% layout identical with the same document opened in Nadella-asshole-soft office (but still you get reasonably close), use macros (and people who create documents with non-VBA macros deserve to be slapped anyways) or use VBA (that’s the real downside, especially in spreadsheet calculations). LibreOffice Basic isn’t really practical to use, sadly.

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        Uhh, no. There are collaborative tools in Office that are used by the sorts of people who don’t know what LibreOffice is. There’s also certain internal policies that tend to classify information in ways that work with Office.

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          There are collaborative tools in Office that are used by the sorts of people who don’t know what LibreOffice is.

          I know. But I do not see how those would keep the knowledgeable people from working in LibreOffice and saving their documents in OOXML.

          There’s also certain internal policies that tend to classify information in ways that work with Office.

          If an organization relies on “classifying information in ways that work with Office”, the IT security probably has no idea what they are doing.

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            But I do not see how those would keep the knowledgeable people from working in LibreOffice and saving their documents in OOXML

            Because they’re not strictly “your” documents. You have to share them with co-workers.

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                That it’s all cloud based. None of it is stored locally.

                Remember what I said about security around documents? Part of that is that docs are never on local machines. Yes, there are other issues with cloud storage, but nobody gets fired for doing it.

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                  docs are never on local machines

                  They are though. Yeah, it’s hidden from the user, and also there are multiple ways to achieve exactly that using Libre

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                    And if you subvert that, you’re subverting IT security policy. Doesn’t matter if you think it’s a good idea or not.