• Semester3383@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    9
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    1 day ago

    Yes, a vampire could enter with a warrant, whether or not you invited him in. The state ultimately ‘owns’ your property; if it didn’t, then it couldn’t kick you out and seize it if you don’t pay property taxes. So therefore the state has the authority to give a vampire the right to enter your dwelling. (But what if the warrant was illegally issued, and so the vampire didn’t have actual permission to enter? Hmmmm.) Similarly, if you rented an apartment, your landlord could give a vampire permission to enter for a valid reason, e.g., the vampire worked maintenance, and you had a water leak that was damaging another apartment and needed immediate access.

    • PugJesus@lemmy.worldOP
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      1 day ago

      But what if the warrant was illegally issued, and so the vampire didn’t have actual permission to enter? Hmmmm.

      Vampires make better cops than real ones?!

      • starman2112@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        22 hours ago

        It’s not about ability to tax, it’s about ability to sieze. If the government didn’t own your land, then taking it without your permission would be theft. Since it isn’t theft if they take your land without your permission, it stands to reason that they own it. You don’t own the property, you own a piece of paper saying you’re allowed to live and build there.

        • michaelmrose@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          21 hours ago

          If I own something I can put it to any lawful use without restriction or compensation. Neither taxation nor seizure for failure to pay taxes are anything like ownership.

          Your mental picture fails to encompass the nuance which indeed isn’t particularly subtle.

          • starman2112@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            21 hours ago

            “If I own something I can put it to any lawful use without restriction or compensation.”

            This also applies to my rental property, because it would be unlawful for me to use it in a way that violates my lease. If someone else gets to tell you what you can and can’t do with your property, is it really your property? Whether that’s because you signed a contract saying “I won’t grow pot here,” or you live in a region where local authorities can simply declare that you aren’t allowed to grow pot there, I don’t see the meaningful distinction. Of course, the concept of ownership is an ill-defined social construct to begin with, so this kind of disagreement is irreconcilable. We simply have different ideas of what defines “ownership.”

            As such, whether a vampire cop can enter your property using a warrant depends on whether the vampire understands it to be permission. QED

            • michaelmrose@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              12 hours ago

              The entire planet understands what ownership means you are basically alone in misunderstanding

              • Semester3383@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                7 hours ago

                No, the “entire planet” has decided that states ultimately own your property–and you, since you don’t have absolute, individual bodily autonomy–and we use an incorrect shorthand in the way we verbally talk about property rights.