Personally I think the true nature of ethics is both of these. I’m not someone that believes that an objectively correct set of moral laws exist, but rather that ethics are ultimately just reflections of our evolution driving us to like and dislike certain things, and simply a tool we make up to analyze how our actions and the actions of others affect those desires.
Without moral rules being a measurable property of the universe, we cannot simply discover what we “should” do by experiment and reason, as we do for physical laws, but if you arbitrarily define a goal, you can then use reason and knowledge of the world’s workings to analyze if a given action furthers or hinders that goal. Different ethical systems can be phrased as such a goal (generally one with no achievable “end condition” so you can use them indefinitely), for example “follow this set of rules in all circumstances” or “maximize the happiness of sapient beings in the universe”.
But you cant do this without deciding what “goal” to further, and you cant decide which one of those you “ought” to use without already having some sense of what you ought to do, and this is where I think one’s “moral intuition” (or really just the combination of one’s evolved desires and cultural preferences and things taught by one’s parents and similar) comes in. That kind of thing can give you a general sense of things being right and wrong, but without being codified into something consistent.
So, you use that to select goals and axioms so as to create a consistent and defined system that fits your existing moral preconceptions. Under most circumstances, you don’t really need to use it, because it fits your general feeling of right and wrong anyway. If it ends up clearly conflicting with your intuition in some circumstance, you think through the implications of both and either modify the system to make it produce the guidance you feel is appropriate, or you conclude that your intuition is being undesirably inconsistent and try to follow what your system says until what “feels” right to you changes. The system becomes a useful tool to you in cases where your intuition does not come to a clear conclusion. Rather than suffer indecision or risk a choice you might later decide was wrong, you can apply your system, figure out what action it prescribes, and follow that.
If you make no attempt to codify your morals, you cant use them very well in cases where nothing “feels” right, or where multiple mutually exclusive paths do, and risk undermining yourself if you decide very different things in similar situations. But in most everyday matters, you won’t need that formalized version of them to figure out what to do.
Virgin Plato vs Chad Sophist
Meh, you are both wrong, evolution doesn’t select for ethics. Ethics is two things:
1.A Vestigial emotion used to prevent blood relatives and constantly interacting groups of said relatives from killing each other.
- The corruption of said Vestigial emotion by parasitic bad actors to exploit biology to their own advantage.
Ethics has lost all value in fact it is more ethical to actively avoid benefiting the “greater good” to prevent said parasites from gaining more coercion over the “innocent” and only focus on direct familial blood relationships that directly impacts our own biology.
this is not a statement on cynicism or nihilism, the system worked as long as bad actors could be contained or eliminated but as soon as society grew beyond a point that we could actually dissuade bad actors the only moral law became being a bad actor yourself or rather to play by the rules of everyone else.
Someone’s ethics can absolutely include being OK with punishing bad people. I don’t know why you’re so set on it being vestigial or somehow not able to deal with shitty people…
Im upset with convergence, that meaning humanity no longer being a species but drones for a queen over a hivemind and, cooperation under bad actors is a direct path to this outcome and not ethical but destructive to individualism a quality I find far more important than probably fictional definitely nebulous ethical code that alters based on geolocation and politics.
I try to build a rational system as a useful descriptor of the intuition, and as an analysis tool for when intuition fails. But the most important thing for me to keep in mind is that neither is absolute or certain



