a jacobin glow up moment fedposting

  • FlakesBongler [they/them]@hexbear.net
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    A Socialist who is more worried about keeping the borders of his nation sacrosanct than anything else

    I wonder what you would call such a Nationalist Socialist soviet-hmm

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      what’s most astonishing (aside from the fact that this could be printed in new york crimes without any changes), what is exactly socialist about this guy, where is any evidence of socialism? cooperation with norwegian socdems? waow, thank jacobin.

      its like breathless coverage of aocia talking to fucking spd, so socialist much worker foreign policy

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      There could be many conclusions. I’ll just say what concerns me most. Over the past year, the reactionary US president has done what the “antiwar” left has been calling for. What has this led to? Increased aggression, more civilian casualties, and more destruction. Things have only gotten worse. In this situation, I think the “antiwar” folks should have done some rethinking. But I still don’t see them doing that.

      The logic of many “antiwar” leftists seems to be, “We provoked this war, so now let’s throw the victim of aggression under the bus.” In Trump’s version, it’s “Let’s throw the victims under the bus and rob them.” Despite the humanistic rhetoric, all proposals in practice boiled down to leaving Ukraine defenseless in the face of imperialist aggression. It should be obvious by now that this is the wrong approach. In the 1990s, the US forced Ukraine to give up its nuclear weapons to Russia, making us vulnerable. The US’s responsibility now is to help Ukraine, not to reward the aggressor.

      this passes for leftist analysis in the jacobin btw.

      • FlakesBongler [they/them]@hexbear.net
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        Hey, guys, seriously, seriously guys, this war is the one good war, hey, hey, guys, hey, hey, guys, guys, guys, hey, hey, seriously, guys, seriously, seriously, seriously guys, seriously this is the one, seriously , seriously, guys, hey.

        Ukraine

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        Over the past year, the reactionary US president has done what the “antiwar” left has been calling for.

        This is such obvious bad faith horseshit that I’m surprised even Jacobin (where the bar is on the floor) allows it to pass. The idea that the Trump US position of a Ukraine & Russia shakedown while still treating Russia as an enemy state is remotely the same as any pronicpaled anti-war leftist would suggest is just absurd.

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    Are they still platforming him? He fucking was doing the rounds like 2 years ago across all the Canadian “left” magazines too.

    He’s basically a part of some left-lib DSA-but-for-Ukraine and lied when he said Zelensky didn’t ban all of the leftist parties from government because they didn’t ban his even though it’s just some small group that doesn’t do anything election-wise.

    edit: it was 4 years ago.

    • plinky [he/him]@hexbear.netOP
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      they have like 3 rotating voices of the compatible left, one being “we are smollbean can’t condemn entity behavior”, one is this guy of “unlimited genocide on the russian orcs” and one “oh well, if nazis are fighting that’s okay, russia is bigger nazi”. nevermind worker rights or ownership stakes or oligarchs or technological dystopia, no, those are for russian trolls apparently. because talking to english speaking ngo worker in ukraine is self-evidential truth

    • plinky [he/him]@hexbear.netOP
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      i was slightly unfair in another comment, they did print that ishchenko (ishenko?) social science guy with much more nuanced take on the ukraine internal cleavages (re:russian/prole ukrainian/tech worker associations and older/younger people) and stuff, i dunno why they don’t have a modicum of editorial tone, pick a lane

        • plinky [he/him]@hexbear.netOP
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          yes. why everyone is named volodymyr, smh. i think he has a fine depressive sociologist take. i legit can’t parse leftist people not seeing giant nazi shaped hole around which ukrainian nationalism is rotating (the azov guy is polling at 40% approval ffs), it’s fine to doubt russian motives around it, i doubt them too, it’s not fine, however, to deny it or obfuscate it for nominal leftist publication, it’s like taking mussolini at his words about smashing the capitalist state, supreme unseriousness