• A🔻atar of 🔻engeance@lemmy.ml
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    Terrible to see this from Jackson Hinkle’s favorite liberal nonviolent activist group (I wonder why the CIA agent makes an exception for certain leftoids? it’s probably nothing)

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    JVP have been biting in their criticism of zionism’s atrocities:

    For over 28 months, the Israeli military has not only murdered Palestinians en masse, but also systematically destroyed and restricted Palestinians’ access to their homes, to clean water, food, medical care, schools, Internet, fuel, and electricity. These are all tactics of genocide: destroying the conditions required for life.

    that is the 1st-paragraph from:

    https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2026/02/26/the-reality-in-gaza/

    Oversimplification/prejudice/ideology isn’t what makes surviving The Great Filter possible for humankind.

    Perhaps many deem the root-guru of the Christians to be zionist-genocider because he was Essene Jew?

    The world isn’t mere-cartoon.

    Uprightness isn’t, either.

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    Downvote away.

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        He can’t, but he could point information on them fundraising to throw parties for themselves

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      Surviving The Great Filter (about as real as Roko’s Basilisk) with marches and reformism seems like an awesome strategy. Heck if it’s a Dark Forest maybe we can get the 10 aliens who don’t want to eat our livers to march around in circles saying “Human Livers Aren’t Tasty 😡” or “Stop Dropping Tungsten Rods On Earth”

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    Is it wrong to say that Jewish communities deserve to be safe in their synagogues and schools?

    If the official stance of the webmaster for the synagogue is pro-Israel, does that mean the congregation deserved the shooting?

    The most guilty party is Zionist settlers in the land of Palestine. The second most guilty party is the American state apparatus. If someone were to target something in America for that cause, it should have been military or police. Saying that a synagogue (especially a Reform one) full of diaspora Jews had it coming, or that they shouldn’t be mourned, is kind of not good. It opens the door to collective ethnic retaliation.

    The solution to the problem involves making sure Jews can be safe in the world so that they don’t need to terrorize and slaughter Palestinians. Attacks on Jewish communities, rather than individual leaders or property, just play into the Zionist state strategy.

    Yes to Jews; No to Israel; uphold the distinction.

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      The Synagogue was literally created for Zionists because the other Synagogues weren’t Zionist. It recruits and donates to the IDF.

      While attacking them is a bad idea for optics, there’s no reason for any person who opposes genocide to sympathize with it.

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        because the other Synagogues weren’t Zionist.

        Which ones?

        The appropriate response to wrong positions is spilling red paint and other defacing or destruction of property, not

        It is very easy for a diaspora Jew to be convinced to align themselves on the ethnic warfare narrative, a bit more challenging to persuade them away from it, and attacking the bodies of Jewish people with deadly force makes it even harder to make that kind of correction. Herzl laughs from Hell.

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          Oh damn we’ve got Greta Thunberg up in here. Sit tight everyone the American leftists are going to stop the war by sitting around sucking their thumbs and crying. Nobody is waiting to convince Zionists let alone people like you at this point. The usefulness of this kind of activism could barely even be claimed prior to the war starting. I guess this is why you folks are so quick to declare Hezbollah defeated, it makes you feel so important, stopping the big bad Netanyahu Jews who are too powerful for anything but Steven Universe love bombing.

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        because the other Synagogues weren’t Zionist.

        Which ones?

        An appropriate response to a Zionist-friendly synagogue (or anyone with problematic beliefs) is dumping red paint or defacing expensive property, not shooting people.

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          funding a genocide is participating in a genocide. no one should kill children, but why should any adult offering material support to genocide not be a valid target? does dumping red paint or defacing property stop them from sending money for more bombs and bullets?

          if they don’t send support to israel then that’s another matter. but if they do, why should they be shielded from the consequences of their actions?

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            does dumping red paint or defacing property stop them from sending money for more bombs and bullets?

            Does shooting a few people, while leaving the rest of the synagogue with a traumatic memory of being attacked, stop them from sending money for more bombs and bullets?

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              i mean, sorta, right? corpses aren’t writing any checks to the IDF. don’t mistake me, i’m not hooting and hollering in glee or anything. i just can’t imagine getting precious about the feelings (or lives, frankly) of people who are going out of their way to fund death squads.

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                Is giving normal contributions to a religious establishment, which contradictorily gives some of its income to Israeli state programs, some of which probably gets accounted under the umbrella of the idf-cool , the same thing as “going out of their way” to fund the IDF?

                Last I checked, he killed 0 people with his vehicle. If anything, it’s likely that they’ll put more funding into Israel now, because that is what happens when a group feels like they are under attack.

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                  Is […] the same thing as “going out of their way” to fund the IDF?

                  yes. unless you’re suggesting there are no non- or anti-zionist alternatives they could have chosen instead, i really don’t see how willingly donating money you know is going to genocide can be anything else. i certainly don’t see why people who support such should be allowed to feel safe anywhere. nazis, zionists, fascists of all stripes should live in fear every waking moment of their lives.

                  Last I checked, he killed 0 people with his vehicle.

                  yeah true if efficacy is your concern then this isn’t the best option. i somehow doubt he was being perfectly considered in his grief.

                  If anything, it’s likely that they’ll put more funding into Israel now

                  “if you punish us for supporting genocide we will support genocide harder” well okay, that’s their prerogative, but it’s not exactly a compelling argument against shooting them.

                  that is what happens when a group feels like they are under attack.

                  ah, so that’s why all black people in the u.s. are fascist genocide-lovers who send 10% of every paycheck to child extermination squads in [pick a country]. like come on dog. supporting genocide is not an innate threat response.

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              I was actually came into to post to comment on how bad this looks optically, that context needs to be supplied because it looks blatantly antisemitic otherwise(including about the JVP who while have many problems have been calling the genocide a genocide since very early days and I have personally found them a good source for arguing with libs)

              But yes shooting people who are sending money to génocidaires usually stops them from sending money

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                  You’re now asking two completely different questions to the one I initially replied to

                  Are they dead now?

                  We both know the only death in the attack was the perpetrator, don’t try to feign ignorance about things we both already know the answer too, instead of being coy and taking the circuitous route, if you have a point to make, make it

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          All the other ones at the time. The Temple Israel Synagogue was literally build for genocide and colonialism.

          See also the post from yesterday

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            Was it specifically dedicated to an apartheid state instead of a multinational state or partition?

            A vague position on “a Jewish state”, especially 7 years before the eventual reality of it set in, doesn’t seem to be pro-apartheid.

            I could be wrong and if there were founders quoted as saying “we need to kick the Palestinians off their land” then I’ll accept that this particular institution sucked.

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                Idk, I think if you pitched a Circassian state, a Roma state, a Kurdish state, etc. to people in the 1940s, they would have had quite a lot of support for it, especially the ethnicities in question. There wasn’t the historical hindsight back then that we have now, of how multinational states can be a lot more internally peaceful, and it’s easy to see how minorities that continue to be discriminated against can be successful targets of propaganda.

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                  Justifying everything with the Holocaust is all fun and dandy, but Zionism has existed since the 1800’s. The questions of what to do with the inhabitants of the land (ethnically cleanse them) had been decided on by Zionists much earlier than the Holocaust.

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              A vague position on “a Jewish state”, especially 7 years before the eventual reality of it set in, doesn’t seem to be pro-apartheid.

              Oh, now I understand your other comments. You’re a Zionist. Go fuck yourself.

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                Fuck me for being an anti-Zionist for over a decade, and wanting to get a large quantity of American Jews on board with broad internationalist solidarity, clarifying the incompatibility of knee-jerk support for Israel with the entire rest of Jewish values, instead of just taking every last one of them who associates with a synagogue with a “stand with Israel” stance and killing them all. Yeah.

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                  Well you haven’t been an anti-Zionist for over a decade, because you think wanting a Jewish state doesn’t make you a Zionist. You haven’t read literally anything about Zionism, including any of the foundational Zionist texts.

                  Also, “Jewish Values” don’t exist. Millions (more than a majority) of Jews have a neutral to positive opinion on genocide. And colonizers in Israel are way above a majority in that. Tell me in what scripture I can find those “Jewish values”.

                  You are just a Zionist who is too scared to be openly genocidal, so you just equivocate instead. No, most Jews don’t want some equal, secular state where they can all hold hands. They want what they built.