• over_clox@lemmy.world
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    Is this…

    Is this the theorem that it only takes 4 different colors to differentiate boundaries between states/countries on a map?

    Geez, why are these sort of articles so complicated to read?

    Feels AI generated…

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      Yes, but the theorem you mention is about much more than just about colors. The whole thing about colors on a map is just one accessible illustration of a very deep and general property of graphs. It has many more applications.

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      Geez, why do people feel the need to leave vapid comments like this. Just because you have trouble understanding something doesn’t make it AI generated lmfao.

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        I have no problem reading it at all. I speak on behalf of all the people out there that would indeed have trouble reading it, as they didn’t even reference the simple concept of a map, where such studies originated in the first place.

        They exclusively use complicated terms like ‘planar graph’, which makes sense to me, but I read no simplified comparison to a simple map.

        I’m also familiar with topology, and know that if a map was to be made on a torus (donut in laymans terms), that it would take 6 colors to guarantee distinguishing one region from another.

        Sometimes simple minded people like to learn as well, so why no reference to a simple map?

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          I speak on behalf of all the people out there that would indeed have trouble reading it, as they didn’t even reference the simple concept of a map, where such studies originated in the first place.

          Because it’s a research paper, not a textbook on graph theory.

          They exclusively use complicated terms like ‘planar graph’

          A planar graph is (loosely) a graph that can be drawn on a single sheet of paper without intersecting the branches. Not very complicated. More importantly, you can find these definitions in any graph theory textbook.

          If you would like to read a textbook on graph theory, I highly recommend A First Course on Graph Theory by Gary Chartrand and Ping Zhang. It’s a Dover book (cheap), and it’s available on LibGen. You will notice that their textbook is printed in black and white, yet their explanation of the Coloring Problem is quite crisp regardless.

          Sometimes simple minded people like to learn as well, so why no reference to a simple map?

          Because people who have no background in graph theory are simply not the audience for this paper.

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            Wait, you can find textbooks these days that haven’t been burned in favor of digital subscriptions?

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              Unironically yes.

              So when I did my undergraduate math courses…yeah, those books and assignments were locked behind digital subscriptions, so I cannot access them anymore. I think the reason is that these systems do automatic grading of homework, so they don’t have to hire as many graders. And then for the books, they probably (correctly) assume they’re on LibGen or at the library. where they won’t need to use the ma

              But advanced undergraduate and graduate level books can usually be bought like ordinary books…or borrowed from a shadow library (make sure you’re running uBlock Origin).

              In fact, some authors even give out their books for free, and most authors are willing to send you an electronic copy if you ask. Authors make exactly $0 per sale.

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                  Are you stupid or something?

                  Nah you Dunning-Kruger ass buffoon, I was trying to be helpful, in particular to show people who don’t know shit about graph theory that it is no longer inaccessible knowledge. You clearly need to reread whatever graph theory book you have if you seriously think that planar graphs need to be explained in a research paper or that the Coloring Problem needs to be illustrated with literal colors.

                  Also, you said you’re familiar with topology. Topology and graph theory are related but distinct subjects! In topological graph theory, the topology is an additional structure imposed upon a graph. So knowledge about topology is mostly irrelevant for graph theory, except for topological graph theory results.

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          You’re speaking on behalf of fictional people that you made up. They used the terms that are typically used in these types of papers. The reason papers use precise terminology is because people working in the field agreed on a common set of terms. This paper isn’t written for layman consumption, but to share research with other experts. Perhaps you’re not used to reading actual papers, and confuse the formal and precise language with what you’re used to seeing in popular mechanics summaries?

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            • 96 pages
            • 4 Color Theorem
            • Planar Graph

            OK

            Out of all 96 pages, I only see monochrome wireframe graphs. Okay sure a couple pages used some light blue lines, but holy fuck, out of 96 pages regarding the 4 color theorem and not a single page even has 4 colors?

            Like fucking hell, all that effort to write a lengthy paper on 4 colors yet can’t even be bothered to make a proper visual representation?

            Seems closer to trying to teach painting to a color blind person 🤦‍♂️

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              They literally invented a whole new linear algorithm when the best possible approach before was quadratic. And here’s you claiming that it doesn’t warrant 96 pages. Incredible stuff. Maybe just stick to coloring with crayons instead of attempting to discuss serious papers. Just a thought.

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                If your entire paper is focused on color study, and you have the technology at your disposal to render over 16 million colors, then is it too much to ask to have an actual visual color representation of what the paper is about? 4 colors, that’s all.

                Jebus H Christ, is this an April Fool’s post or something?

                Fuck, I study and program photochromatography, at least I have example works to show in full color.

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                  I get a distinct impression that you don’t even understand the significance of the paper. The entire paper is focused on the novel algorithm they came up with which turns O(n^2) operation into O(nlogn). That’s a huge finding. If you have no appreciation for math, what are you even doing trolling around this community?