• TaterTot@piefed.social
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    I think the thing that makes me saddest about the Trump regime… Is the support of genocides, senseless violence, wide spread human right violations, and accelerating destruction of the planet…

    But somewhere much lower on that list is how many people in other countries think all Americans support this. And how when history looks back, we will be grouped in with those who supported him…

    I wonder if this is what German’s who opposed Hitler felt like…

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      I mean 1/3 voted for this and another ~1/3 couldn’t be bothered to show up to vote at all in 2024 after everyone knew exactly who he was and what he wanted so… As an American all I can take from that is that most of us are either for it or simply don’t care one way or the other.

      I no longer believe my fellow countryman are good people. They are at best, dangerously apathetic and lazy and at worst they are actively happy all of this is occurring. Or at least 2/3rds of them are.

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        Sure, that’s a fair take. And again, I feel bad belaboring this point, recognizing its triviality in the face of the actual horrors being wrought in our name.

        But you and I are viewed as guilty as the belligerent Trump supporter by many. The trans kid who was kicked out of their home and protested this shit every day is being told they’re as responsible as the MAGA hat-wearing fanatic just for where they were born. The lifelong supporter of human rights will be counted amongst the rest for not taking up arms against the largest military in history.

        And while I know this is an unpopular take on Lemmy, I even don’t believe the uninformed third who couldn’t be bothered to vote should be lumped in with Trump supporters. We have a tendency to view them as uncaring. And sure, a small percentage pushed asinine “both sides” arguments. But the reality is that for many, they had their hands full just surviving day to day in a society designed to barely leave them with enough energy and information to plan for their next meal.

        The reality, at least from what I can see, is that most Americans are victims of a system designed to make them focus so hard on a false dichotomy that an alternative option feels like a pipe dream. This system has become so broken that the worst of humanity has been able to take control simply by virtue of their ability to demean their opposition. This dysfunction was an inevitable outcome of the system as it was designed. Not by any intent, but rather a flaw inherent to our First Past the Post voting.

        Anyway, I’m rambling, and I know it’s not solving anything. But my point, or TL;DR, or whatever, is this: I lament that the people fighting oppression, that those just struggling to survive, and even those who were ignorant or misled enough to believe propaganda were all required by history to address problems beyond their power. And that when this day came, for all the aforementioned reasons, and those I can’t comprehend, we were not up to the task. And a part of me will always lament that our failure to stop evil will make us part of that evil in the eyes of history. Maybe we deserve it, I don’t know. But I know that many of us, in a better place, and a better time, would have had been forgotten by history as normal and decent people often are.

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        A lot of those people are simply racists that are irredeemable.

        But there is still a large number of people who are just a product of their environment. Be it not having the time or resources to be able to vote (especially as disenfranchising voters has been a core of the Republican agenda), lacking the education the make informed decisions (dismantling and defending education has also been a goal), being inundated by billionaire propaganda machines in every aspect of their life (news, TV and film, social media and paid actors or bots astroturfing)…

        It’s easier to understand how someone can be swindled into not being involved in the political process. And these aren’t exclusively US issues, they are global problems. Other nations have had some better infrastructure to deter them, or strong leaders to fight them. But this isn’t exclusively on the individual.

        You say some are apathetic and lazy, you’re demoralized and hold that against them. That’s exactly what the ghouls in power want. They stole something from those people. Be it the time, the money, the knowledge, to stand up against evil. But you’re blaming the individual.

        I’m not saying everyone is good. There’s a lot of terrible people. But falling for the trap set in front of you is just as bad.

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          You say some are apathetic and lazy, you’re demoralized and hold that against them. That’s exactly what the ghouls in power want. They stole something from those people. Be it the time, the money, the knowledge, to stand up against evil. But you’re blaming the individual.

          To be clear, I’m still mostly blaming the ghouls in power. They are the true evil. I’ve not forgotten that.

          But I do hold those who had the ability to vote and didn’t responsible. I’m sure a fraction of that 1/3rd was legitimately voter suppressed, but I’d be shocked if it were more than 20% of them. I know that’s a thing, but I really don’t think it explains most of those who didn’t vote.

          I personally think it’s totally fair to hold those people accountable. Yes, we’ve all got shit going on and life is stressful. For most elections that excuse would be more than enough. But it was impossible to be uniformed going into 2024. It was impossible to not know exactly who Trump was and what he was pushing for.

          I actively tried to disengage from all political information and effectively found that to be hopeless. Trump’s every move was reported on and talked about and joked about everywhere and no matter how you tried to curate things, he infiltrated anyway. Only the most hermit in the woods type people could call themselves truly uniformed.

          It was clear to basically every American that this was a battle for democracy and we utterly failed to show up.

          So yes, they aren’t as bad as the people literally carrying out the destruction of our country, but that does not absolve them of all blame. They are collaborators, by either active support or tacit acceptance.

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        It wasn’t laziness or apathy. It was opposition to Biden/Harris. It was opposition to what’s happening in Gaza.

        The anti-genocide candidates, Jill Stein and Cornel West, didn’t get any media coverage, so voters didn’t know that they were an option.

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        Not only that, the remaining 1/3 see all the shit that he does now and all they can manage to do is have a few people protest every now and then. Maybe take a Friday off every month or so as a “strike” to show they are super serious now.

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          A large proportion of people have massive debt and a non-insignificant portion are using BNPL just to buy groceries. The average American cant afford a surprise $400 expense without hardship, and the vast majority dont make $400 in a shift. Many not even in 2 shifts.

          Americans may get paid in dollars, but the country we live in is less affordable than pretty much any other country in the world in terms of our wages. Its not exactly easy for people to take a day off and protest.

          And it doesnt help that most of these planned protests are on a Saturday, which is universally a day that service workers are expected to work on. 8/10 people in this country are service industry workers of some form or another.

          Who exactly is offering to support broke ass Americans so that we can protest any of this? Oh yea, nobody is…

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            Whats happening to all the people the system is failing? We have a lot of guns here in the US, and with people living paycheck to paycheck there must be a few who dont get their paycheck. They, uh, don’t seem to be doing much for being the ones most impacted.

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      I mean, a very large loud minority makes sure that this assumption stays around…

      Start forcing social media companies to eliminate bots, and you’ll see that up to about 4/5 of these conservacunt voices - in all countries - simply disappear.

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    This reminds me of another post I once saw that said: “Americans, would you be okay with a foreign power annexing a part of your country? Is there any part of your country you’d be okay with losing?”

    I can think of a few lol

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    DC is a blue state, I need to remind you.

    Florida isn’t. I’d like to Bugs Bunny that shithole right off into the ocean…