Many people on lemmy.ml deeply respect and admire authoritarian governments and organizations.

Iran, China, North Korea, Soviet Union…

The West has many flaws. But our flaws are nothing compared to these guys.

Iran hangs homosexuals. Iran shot 30,000 people in less than than 2 weeks. The Soviet Union had to build a fucking Iron wall to prevent people from escaping. The Soviets lied about the Chernobyl nuclear explosion. China censors the internet. China wants to eliminate Islam. North Korea is a totalitarian hellscape. Watching anime is a crime.

Why is lemmy.ml so fascinated with authoritarians?

  • StopTech@lemmy.today
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    Why are they in lemmy.ml? Because they wanted to congregate somewhere and Lemmy was made by far left people and is federated so it’s probably a good choice to avoid censorship.

    Why do they admire authoritarian regimes? Each may have a different reason but one common reason is because those regimes are anti-western or socialist/communist. So if you’re socialist/communist, hate a lot of aspects of the west or just like rooting for the underdog but still want a big team you can throw your support behind then those countries are the obvious choice. Of course you can be socialist, communist or anti-western without supporting authoritarian regimes, but then you basically have to admit that every time socialism/communism has been tried it has failed and you may be discomforted by the thought that there’s no powerful countries fighting for humanity and become hopeless.

    Why are people socialist/communist? Usually because they see a lot of problems with capitalism, often to do with inequality, while socialism/communism promises total equality and fairness.

    Why are people anti-western? I wouldn’t say the people we’re talking about are consistently anti-western, since they don’t oppose many things the modern west represents, like LGBTQ, technology, “democracy”, human rights, common law, federalism, hedonism, progressivism, etc. It seems to me they only dislike the aspects they’ve been told to dislike by western mainstream media and education, which focuses on things like the Atlantic slave trade (rather than slavery in Africa, the middle east, eastern Europe, pre-Columbian America or literally anywhere else in all of world history) and Nazi Germany (rather than Communist Russia, China, North Korea or Cuba).

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    Why do countries under the US/NATO/the West siege adopt strong tactics to survive?

    It must be nice to live in the luxury of West propaganda.

    But our flaws are nothing compared to these guys.

    Gaza, Nam, Korea, Iraq and many more…

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    You probably don’t speak any of the languages from the countries you listed. Almost everything that you know about them you’ve learned from “western” sources. You, like many others come to the fediverse and are exposed to counter narratives for the first time in your life. This comes as a shock, and you think that such people must be crazy, paid shills or bots. I encourage you to stick around, and actually read what people are saying.

    Also, don’t mistake nuance for unqualified support. Do I like Iran’s government? No, but that doesn’t really matter. Right now my government (who does far greater harm to the world than any others you mentioned), is killing people there. I know from my experience and knowledge of history, that the US “intervening” is not going to end up improving the lives of the people there.

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    Whose simping for Iran? I want both sides to lose, but the Iranian citizens to not be harmed. It’s two fascist regimes fighting each other tbh (well 3 really if we’re counting Israel). I’m on lemmy.ml though cos I’m an idiot and didn’t realize how this site worked, might switch instances.

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    They are not communists or socialists. They are campists.

    The mistake is assuming they care about the political idealogy they ascribe to. They exist exclusively as an oppositional force to whatever the West represents. The reality is that if the Western hegemony disappeared tomorrow, they would lose their entire raison d’etre. They dont care at all about the principles of communism. It’s an esthetic that they can bury themselves in order to criticize the West.

    Because engaging with the reality of effecting the goals of communism would entail coming to face with the brutal process of realizing effective change. You know, being politically effective. That would undermine the entire movement and modus operandi.

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    China wants to eliminate Islam

    No it doesn’t, buddy. The zionist terrorist state that you keep supporting in your comments wants to eliminate Islam.

    Here are the Muslim populations in China, the majority of which you’ve probably never even heard of in your CIA approved state propaganda:

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    The West has many flaws. But our flaws are nothing compared to these guys.

    Spoken like a true western chauvinist, your crimes are far far bigger than crimes of all of those combined, they arent even a fraction of your evil, you are just brainwashed

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    Birds of a feather tend to flock together, right?

    Well, a lot of uneducated incel know-it-all losers congregated on that instance. It’s Lemmy’s red-headed stepchild.

    Every populace has its misfits and failures. Lemmy is no exception.

    EDIT: I want to be clear about something. I am not condeming ML for being Communist/whatever. I’m condemning them because my interactions with their users have consistently been bad. They have proven themselves to be not very bright and very loud about their ignorance. Same vibes I get from interacting with MAGAts, despite their ideology being noticeably different.

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    These people are called “tankies”. It’s communists who like militarism and imperialism, as long as it’s of their own flavor. The internet has many such “bunkers” where these people congregate. They unironically support the countries you mention, and they do not represent the entire left-wing community.

    I’d argue that they aren’t the result of capitalist policies being shitty. Such communities have existed on the internet since the early 00s. It’s just their ideology.

    Why are they on lemmy? My guess is that Reddit banned some of their communities for posting violent content (threats of violence etc.) so they moved to lemmy, which does not censor people to the degree Reddit does.

    The .ml for lemmy.ml supposedly stands for “marxism leninism”.

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    5 hours ago

    Agitators don’t discriminate. The left doesn’t acknowledge that they are susceptible to the same infiltration as what happened to the far right throughout the 2010s that spawned the current era of fascism.

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    I love communism and I think all these countries’ systems are trash.

    I don’t think you can have communism with a hierarchical, centralized government or authoritarianism.

    I also think the US has systematically undermined or simply overthrown every legitimate attempt to work socialism into communism, leaving only examples that morons can point at as proof that it wouldn’t work.

    So if you see someone defending communism and you think they’re defending those authoritarian regimes, then your problem is you. If you honestly see people saying those regimes are great then they’re probably tankies and you can safely ignore them and disregard this entire comment.

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    15 hours ago

    It’s not lemmy.ml as a source, but rather a symptom.

    I see two things going on:

    1. A general fall in trust in democratic institutions, as those institutions fail to represent people adequately;
    2. A clear realization of global injustice perpetuated by democratc countries against the will of people.

    There aren’t many that that think that Iran’s goverment is good for Iranian people, but they do see that they are defending their civilization. This umderstanding requires that the observer is able to maintain two observations at the same time, instead of requoring complete black & white intepretations.