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    OK come on now, you cannot present such an interesting meme in front of us and then NOT give at least a name that we can look the story up ourselves.

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      Context From Original OP:

      At the height of Martial Law in the Philippines, thousands of academics, scholars, and students were detained. One of these academics were historians William Henry Scott and Zeus Salazar, and they were arrested in 1972.

      Scotty, as he is known, was arrested due to having a copy of Mao’s writings in his bookshelf and was cited as one of the “evidences” for his alleged communist sympathies despite the fact that he’s only using it to teach Asian History, while Salazar was arrested due to his involvement in the First Quarter Storm and Diliman Commune years prior. Both Scotty and Salazar share the same prison cell in Fort Bonifacio near what is now Bonifacio Global City and they often have tense arguments and disagreements about history and anthropology.

      It got to a point that jail guards got curious about their discussions that they ask for history lessons, which Salazar obliged and gave lectures on Filipino History, listening to their takes on the subject. Scotty later recalls that his time in jail was “one of the best days of his life” as he was surrounded by detained academics and had all the time in the world to have endless intellectual discussions away from university admin work.

      Their detention was even recorded by renowned Filipino author Jose “Butch” Dalisay in his novel “Killing Time in a Warm Place” who also shared the same cell with Scotty and Salazar.

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      It might be referring to German political prisoner and P.O.W. camps (Offizierslager?) during WWII, which housed many of the Polish intellectual elite.

      EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oflag_XVII-A?wprov=sfla1

      The prisoners were encouraged to occupy their time productively. They formed a choir and a theatre group, and built their own sports ground, the Stade Pétain. One of the most popular activities were the lectures at the Université en Captivité, headed by Lieutenant Jean Leray, formerly a mathematics professor at the Université de Nancy. The University awarded almost 500 degrees, all of which were officially confirmed after the war.

      I’m not sure if it’s the same incident since it doesn’t seem to be focused on “historians,” but here is an example of an actual legitimate university being organized by (mostly French) prisoners of war while being held captive by the Nazis.

      EDIT 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solovki_prison_camp?wprov=sfla1

      It might be more likely referring to the early years of the Solovki prison camp, the prototypical Gulag. A lot of the Ukrainian intelligentsia were sent there, including many notable historians. I don’t know enough to say for sure.

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        Context From Original OP:

        At the height of Martial Law in the Philippines, thousands of academics, scholars, and students were detained. One of these academics were historians William Henry Scott and Zeus Salazar, and they were arrested in 1972.

        Scotty, as he is known, was arrested due to having a copy of Mao’s writings in his bookshelf and was cited as one of the “evidences” for his alleged communist sympathies despite the fact that he’s only using it to teach Asian History, while Salazar was arrested due to his involvement in the First Quarter Storm and Diliman Commune years prior. Both Scotty and Salazar share the same prison cell in Fort Bonifacio near what is now Bonifacio Global City and they often have tense arguments and disagreements about history and anthropology.

        It got to a point that jail guards got curious about their discussions that they ask for history lessons, which Salazar obliged and gave lectures on Filipino History, listening to their takes on the subject. Scotty later recalls that his time in jail was “one of the best days of his life” as he was surrounded by detained academics and had all the time in the world to have endless intellectual discussions away from university admin work.

        Their detention was even recorded by renowned Filipino author Jose “Butch” Dalisay in his novel “Killing Time in a Warm Place” who also shared the same cell with Scotty and Salazar.

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      Context From Original OP:

      At the height of Martial Law in the Philippines, thousands of academics, scholars, and students were detained. One of these academics were historians William Henry Scott and Zeus Salazar, and they were arrested in 1972.

      Scotty, as he is known, was arrested due to having a copy of Mao’s writings in his bookshelf and was cited as one of the “evidences” for his alleged communist sympathies despite the fact that he’s only using it to teach Asian History, while Salazar was arrested due to his involvement in the First Quarter Storm and Diliman Commune years prior. Both Scotty and Salazar share the same prison cell in Fort Bonifacio near what is now Bonifacio Global City and they often have tense arguments and disagreements about history and anthropology.

      It got to a point that jail guards got curious about their discussions that they ask for history lessons, which Salazar obliged and gave lectures on Filipino History, listening to their takes on the subject. Scotty later recalls that his time in jail was “one of the best days of his life” as he was surrounded by detained academics and had all the time in the world to have endless intellectual discussions away from university admin work.

      Their detention was even recorded by renowned Filipino author Jose “Butch” Dalisay in his novel “Killing Time in a Warm Place” who also shared the same cell with Scotty and Salazar.

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        Context From Original OP:

        At the height of Martial Law in the Philippines, thousands of academics, scholars, and students were detained. One of these academics were historians William Henry Scott and Zeus Salazar, and they were arrested in 1972.

        Scotty, as he is known, was arrested due to having a copy of Mao’s writings in his bookshelf and was cited as one of the “evidences” for his alleged communist sympathies despite the fact that he’s only using it to teach Asian History, while Salazar was arrested due to his involvement in the First Quarter Storm and Diliman Commune years prior. Both Scotty and Salazar share the same prison cell in Fort Bonifacio near what is now Bonifacio Global City and they often have tense arguments and disagreements about history and anthropology.

        It got to a point that jail guards got curious about their discussions that they ask for history lessons, which Salazar obliged and gave lectures on Filipino History, listening to their takes on the subject. Scotty later recalls that his time in jail was “one of the best days of his life” as he was surrounded by detained academics and had all the time in the world to have endless intellectual discussions away from university admin work.

        Their detention was even recorded by renowned Filipino author Jose “Butch” Dalisay in his novel “Killing Time in a Warm Place” who also shared the same cell with Scotty and Salazar.

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    They were trying to get them to kill each other. Normally this would be a foolproof plan, but giving historians an audience to pontificate to is an even higher priority than quibbling over details with other historians!

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      They were trying to get them to kill each other. Normally this would be a foolproof plan

      https://xkcd.com/915/

      If you locked people in a box for a year with 500 still frames of Joe Biden eating a sandwich, by the end they’d be adamant that some were great and some terrible.