I guess “God gave us this land so we have to genocide the existing inhabitants” is a bit too on the nose
It is written like that in the bible. Probably the first documented genocide. Apparently there’s a passage about a general that was fine with killing, men, women, elderly, and children, but didn’t kill some horses because he thought them too pretty. Yhwh struck him dead for disobeying.
It would be the first documented genocide if it actually happened. It’s more of a fantasy written centuries later to justify Israelite expansion in the region (and conveniently coopted for Israeli genocide more than 2000 years later…)
On a side note, it’s wild listening the hoops apologists jump through to explain either why God didn’t command genocide or, even worse, that he did and it was justified.
“We got to Canaan and killed every living Canaanite mammal” is a wild thing to come up with out of the blue without any supporting oral history.
But I’m not going down the rabbit hole of pondering the historical value of the Bible. It suffices me to know that there is some value in recorded oral histories, even if they cannot be simply taken at face value. It’s how we know nearly all we know about the Inca.
There’s a lot of scholarship out there which is very clear that the conquest of Canaan narrative is just propaganda. There may or may not be oral history behind it with a whisper of a memory of real events, but all the archaeological evidence points towards it being made up. And of course the bible contradicts itself in this regard not much later anyway.
It is a fantasy written but centuries after, but not at a time of expansionism. At a moment they just survived a genocide against them. And this kind of fantasy was very common at the time, and my take is that it was understood as such.
that story was quoted repeatedly to justify this genocide. They keep talking about Amalek. that’s a genocidal dogwhistle… not really a dogwhistle, more like a fog horn
justify this genocide
WTH? WTF is wrong with people? I was a kid when I read that and it already freaked me out with my limited comprehension and exposure of world history. How can anyone read that and think “well done, let’s do it again?”
Been writing articles on Medium about that.
I have theories. Generations of propaganda , or normalized psychopathy .
The more you meet and interact with Israelis the more it is hard to believe how openly evil they are. like they will casually accept starving children to death or bombing journalists and humanitarian workers.
The more you meet and interact with Israelis the more it is hard to believe how openly evil they are. like they will casually accept starving children to death or bombing journalists and humanitarian workers.
It’s common in authoritarian states for that level of evil to be normalized. But “Death to everyone in an authoritarian state!” is nationalist-campist tripe all the same - or else treating politics with the same mindset as a religious fanatic.
“Death to arabs” is a common sports chant in Israel.
… so your response is “no u”?
Sorry for not being enthusiastic about the concept of genocide as a team sport, regardless of what color you want to wear or who you insist started it first.
Forbidden sacrosanct halloumi
Top tier
This veers a bit too close to antisemitic “the jews were always out to get us” territory for me.
How? The only relevant Jewish point here is it was founded in the land around Israel.
And TBH fuck Israel.
At this point in time, if Tel Aviv got nuked, I’d say that was fair enough.
Even in a situation where a nuclear weapon is the least-bad option, or when collateral damage is unavoidable, the murder of civilians is never ‘fair’. And I struggle to think of what nuking Tel Aviv would actually solve.
I speak Hebrew, and forced the algorithms to show me Israeli social media. Lots of those “civilians” are better off as radioactive dust.
There are a few who protest and show solidarity and put themselves in harm’s way to protect Palestinians. but they are such a tiny minority. Those few are amazing people.
I speak Hebrew, and forced the algorithms to show me Israeli social media. Lots of those “civilians” are better off as radioactive dust.
“Shitty people deserve shit” is one thing; “everyone who is behind BAD imaginary line or part of BAD ethnicity deserves to die!” is another fucking thing entirely.
Dial back the fucking nationalist kool-aid.
you aren’t wrong, but I have to deal with Israelis regularly and damn, they are all high on that genocide Kool aid. it’s scary
Propaganda and normalization of cruelty is powerful, and takes generations to cure, unfortunately.
All we can do until then is to oppose their every act until they acquiesce to acting with a basic level of humanity, even if they still believe horrific things.
Unfortunately, a good portion of the world’s governments are still fine with enabling Israel and the sickened culture its been cultivating instead.
Most in Nazi time not protest even though knew concentration camp. Because social pressure too high.
some did, the rest who didn’t allowed it to happen.
What happen to the one that did also part what stop other from follow.
Edit: “They cannot stop all of us” not really work if they actually can. Because most of population was brainwash enough to help stop them.
then they can do as I did, and leave Israel.
Did Alyah circa 2005 because I was young and bought all their propaganda, left a few later because apartheid and racism is so common its everywhere in Israel.
Most Israelis can leave. fuck, many are fleeing because Israel is collapsing, but only to build Zionists communities in other countries.
Problem even discuss flee might reported by neighbour or random person who hear conversation as criticism of nsdap. And then you fucked, ss pick you up and throw you into KZ. And if found during flee, same thing.
Imagine half of israel double agent for thug police, but not know who and even ask in direction to find out might get reported.
You know I know a group of people that feel the same way about the Palestinians.
Maybe we stop mass murdering people? I swear there’s some psy-op going on to convince people that people cannot change. Keeps us nice and divided. The plebs can’t rise up if they are too busy killing each other
the difference. I talk to payment regularly, and not one made me want to stab them mid sentence. meanwhile I lot count of how much Israeli will casually celebrate child murder or fondly remember their IOF war crimes.
it isn’t a both sides. one is genocidal and one has been on the receiving end of genocide for decades.
This isn’t a "sides’ conversation. You argued people cannot change and we should nuke babies in their beds. I support nobody gets nuked or bombed.
Obviously there may be no peaceful resolution, but I don’t cheer for dead civilians regardless of the side.
As you said
Lots of these civilians are better off as radioactive dust
Don’t see how that’s much better than the Israeli view of Palestine.
In an ideal world I’d like to see an end to the conflict and everyone in Israel that committed war crimes and their leadership brought before international court and punished for their crimes.
You know let’s hold those responsible responsible and not nuke or bomb anymore innocents.
And I know that may not be an option, but you’ll never get me to cheer for indiscriminate bombs or nukes.
you haven’t met Israelis and it shows.
No one is seriously advocating for a genocide on the Israelis, I’m just venting how frustrating it is to interact with them.
And I’m taking with experience, I lived in Israel for a few years after I did Alyah.
Lots of these civilians are better off as radioactive dust
No one is seriously advocating for a genocide on the Israelis
One of these is not like the other
Like don’t get me wrong if someone today nuked portions of Israel to end the genocide that would be justified. I would understand that war is terrible and sometimes these things must happen for the greater good, but I still wouldn’t be jumping up and down with glee as millions of human lives are snuffed out. That’s just fucked up.
How many Israeli babies do I need to meet to celebrate their deaths? You tell me
Or do you believe that nukes skip the innocent and only kill those worthy of death? If we’ve developed that technology let me know
No one is seriously advocating for a genocide on the Israelis, I’m just venting how frustrating it is to interact with them.
You’re kidding, right?
How many citations of serious advocacy for genocide against Israelis will it take for you to concede the point? Honest question. Give me a number, and I’ll provide.
the only one in the area that can Nuke Tel Aviv is Israel. And the only one on the region mad enough to do it is Netanyahu.
He will 100% Bomb Tel Aviv in order to avoid jail.
This image is of the Ea-Nasir copper complaint tablet
What’s the sound of 100 million Israeli’s dying? I heard it sounds like applause, but we should probably find out just to be sure
What’s the sound of 100 million Israeli’s dying? I heard it sounds like applause, but we should probably find out just to be sure
What the ever-loving fuck is wrong with you, and what the ever-loving fuck is wrong with the people who upvoted you?
Yeah, Israel has innocent children living in it. We can’t blame children for what their parents did. I think we should just deport anyone who has served in the IDF back to where they came from.
Service in the IDF is mandatory, and most Israelis are native-born.
I view it the same way I view Nazi Germany. All Wehrmacht conscripts are valid targets as long as they are serving and Nazi Germany remains extant. But that doesn’t mean mass ethnic cleansing, or worse, counter-genocide, is the solution after Nazi Germany is dismantled.
War criminals - regardless of how many there are - must be dealt with on an individual basis. Fuck all of them, but fuck them for the exceptional act of being war criminals, not for being conscripts.
That’s a good point.
That is a good point. I mean, that’s the attitude Israel has towards the kids in Palestine, right?
How many children live there who did nothing wrong?
How many kids lived in Palestine that didn’t do anything wrong?
Exactly. Don’t kill innocent children.
This thread is absolutely wild, how’s about we don’t recreate The Final Solution in the modern day?
Apparently, that’s the equivalent of ignoring the Palestinian genocide.
It sounds a lot like 8 billion other people dying, either quickly or very slowly, from the resulting nuclear war that would happen.
The resulting nuclear war would likely be limited between Israel and whoever the other nuclear party was, meaning probably ~100 million deaths would be the upper limit.
In any case, the indiscriminate death of millions of civilians would be a fucking horrific thing.
Even a small scale nuclear war would do horrible shit to the planet climate wise not to mention the economic fallout. We’re already seeing the knock-on effects of the Hormuz shit. Now imagine those producer countries nuked to shit and instead of a temporary problem it becomes a permanent problem.
Yeah, like if we just indiscriminately bombed an entire country, then prevented anyone from sending aide while simultaneously bombing their hospitals. That would be bad. Then if we used snipers to kill their children, imprisoned the rest, then raped and abused them in detention, that would be pretty bad huh? In fact, you could say a society that condones such actions deserves to be destroyed…
Jesus fucking christ
I’m going to quote this the next time someone gaslights that “eradicate Israel” doesn’t actually mean “genocide israelis” while claiming that “Hamas doesn’t actually want to kill every Israeli citizen, they actually want a peaceful reconciliation after the Israeli government is out of the way” or that “no one is saying we should murder all israeli civilians.”
I’m not part of Hamas so I don’t know what they have to do with anything. Also Israel has compulsory military service for nearly all citizens, which means that essentially if you’re of age and an Israeli, you’re not a civilian. The government made it a point to make all of their able bodied adults combatants.
Israel and it’s citizens deserve to reap everything they have sown. Their children are innocent… At least until they are forced to join the idf. It’s a shame Israel doesn’t care about the future it’s making for it’s children.
Really? You don’t see the connection to Hamas? You’re just mindlessly repeating their slogans like “kill all israelis,” and you don’t know why I would bring them up when I point out that your comment gives the lie to anyone saying “they don’t really mean ‘kill all israelis’”?
Also Israel has compulsory military service for nearly all citizens, which means that essentially if you’re of age and an Israeli, you’re not a civilian.
That’s false. They have compulsory public service, which can be in civilian positions, and they have placement tests to determine who goes where. Some of the highest scoring people become teachers.
And lots of Israeli civilians hate their government and have been protesting the war. Framing them all as IDF is ignorant.
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