Watch the US government ban it’s import 🤦
Absolutely they will.
Nice, more for the civilized world.
Dude I just said this in another comment! 100% they’re going to lol
Good thing I live next to the Canadian border!
I’d buy Chinese ram. Idgaf lol. $500 for 16gb is nuts
It’s very weird to buy Korean or American RAM on the grounds that Samsung and Micron are somehow more ethical than SK Hynix.
Can you clarify what you mean about the purported lacking ethics of SK Hynix? SK Hynix is also South Korean. And the article is about ChangXin Memory Technologies (CXMT) in China now manufacturing consumer DDR5.
I have no qualms about buying Chinese memory assuming it’s just as fast/reliable as Micron, Samsung, SK Hynix, etc
Can you clarify what you mean about the purported lacking ethics of SK Hynix?
Their flagship Chinese facility is the Wuxi campus in Jiangsu province, which represents a multibillion-dollar investment and accounts for a significant portion of the company’s total DRAM wafer output.
$500 for 16gb is nuts
Gather around kids…RAM used to be much more expensive. We had to lock cases to prevent theft. While prices have shot up, it’s still cheap historically.
lol, “RAM is cheaper than it would’ve been 60 years ago” is such an out-of-touch take. Computers 60 years ago also ran code that you could write on a postage stamp. By those metrics you’d need a contemporary supercomputer and an army of technicians to open a Chrome tab. Besides, by your own graph RAM should be getting cheaper, not suddenly quadruple in price. There’s no reason for that outside corporate greed.
It’s basic supply and demand… If you have customers willing to pay more for your product, you will sell your stock to that person. I think we tend to judge these companies for doing what we would do ourselves.
Lets say you have a lemonade stand and some adult comes along and says he will buy it all for 2 dollars per liter when the normal price is 1 dollar per liter. Are you going to say that he can’t buy all the lemonade and sell it for lower price to the kids? Maybe you would, and that makes you a very good person, but a bad businessman.
Lol, Lemmy downvoting this comment 23 times just shows how sensitive the Lemmy crowd is. :)
It wasn’t even something offensive and it’s the truth too. Unless “gather around kids” is offensive to today’s generation…
Im 50, and just like this guy I remember ram being very expensive. That doesn’t mean we should be happy to go back to that of course. This pricing hike is 100% caused by data centers creating the infrastructure for dystopia. Nobody is laughing about that.
But still, he is correct.
Yeah, and a 5mb hard drive used to have to be transported by box truck.
Technology doesn’t get more expensive as time passes historically. This is due to artificial inflation. Just cause something used to be more expensive, doesn’t mean it should become more expensive.
Well, I absolutely paid $500 for 1 GB of memory back in about 2003 for my XP machine. It was an amazing experience to not constantly page.
I haven’t had the same experience until buying a decent gaming card in 2017 or buying a SSD in 2019.
What happens after 2023 then?
I feel like it’s not fair to use data measured strictly in price per terabyte, I think a better representation to make your point would need to take into account how much total RAM was used by an average person’s devices each year, and track that price over time, no? Because the issue is that people are becoming unable to afford to upgrade their devices due to price hikes, and I wouldn’t exactly say that’s dismissable by the fact that the price of RAM now is less per Terabyte than it was going back over half a century ago.
I remember my first RAM purchase, got it for a steal, $50 per 1mb 30 pin SIMM. I had 4. MEGABYTES of ram, windows 3.11 screamed!
Then when internet upgraded from 28.8k to 56k dial-up… ooooohhh momma!
My beard is grey, my first modem was a 2400baud. I couldn’t believe the speed when I upgraded to 14.4.
Back in the days of BBS glory. My first intro to the internet was via BBS’s, eventually got online through my mom’s alumni account at the U of M, using slip minuet and the mosaic browser.
My god I’m old.
This price hike is caused by unwanted technological push this go around. That’s the outrage.
The difference today is that developers have spent the last few decades completely forgetting how to efficiently utilize memory.
Who gives a flying FUCK brother?
This is the kind of reddit lib dumb shit attitude that bred the complacency of the American public in the first place.
Shame on you, dude.
I’d like to see you run a modern PC with 4MB of ram.
Be for real
Honestly long overdue, RAM manufacturers showed their hand as a cartel last year
If only Europe could even be in the conversation, let alone manufacturing SOTA
Honestly long overdue, RAM manufacturers showed their hand as a cartel last year
Wasn’t it the other way around? IIRC they both got played by OpenAI because they didn’t know there was another deal going down at the same time.
(Not saying they didn’t massively profit from the situation in the end)
EU should stop selling fablabs lol what a mess it would be.
Incoming US ban on “Chinese Spy RAM” to keep prices inflated…
Just like our completely bullshit ban on Chinese car sales. Love our free market!
Personally I’m stuck on DDR4 since quite some time now, I just don’t need faster RAM. Wonder if we’re hitting a sort of gradual slope in needs.
You don’t need faster RAM because your system is designed around slow RAM.
If you had faster system RAM, overflowing GPU VRAM wouldn’t be such a big deal and much faster iGPUs would be viable.
If you had massively faster system RAM, video cards wouldn’t really need VRAM at all.
You’d need a faster system bus though, but I guess that doesn’t have to cost very much.
Explain
In the first paragraph:
The images leaked by wxnod show a Corsair Vengeance DDR5 module featuring ChangXin Memory Technologies (CXMT) DRAM chips.
So, consumer suppliers for ram are sourcing Chinese made memory chips, instead of those made in Taiwan (because all the reputable manufacturers of the ram chips have their total manufacturing bought up by AI)
Thanks.
Will this make ram more available/cheaper?
No idea.
New chip foundries take a while to come online, iron out process kinks, and get up to a decent level of reliable supply. Chip manufacturing is extremely precise and fiddly.In 5 years? A lot more available & cheaper.
In the next year? Unlikely, unless the CXMT get really lucky. I think they have been making RAM for a while, but DDR5 (what people want) is the cutting edge.
I think it’s more likely there will be a collapse of AI (not a full collapse, but certainly a recalibration of expectation & forecasts) which will lead to an easing in demand
That gives me some hope. Either outcome works for me. Either china making more ram in 5 years (and exporting it, not at insane prices…), and/or the AI bubble popping and lowering prices that way.
