As the title says, my first love whom I’ve missed dearly has just contacted me and it’s thrown my world upside down. We met when we were both 14 and spent a little under 4 years together. It was a wildly inappropriate relationship from the start by the standards today, but we both suffered abusive and absent parents, so found each other. We spent all the time we could together, at the cost of our studies, friends, what little family there was and all else. We were absolutely codependent, physically living as adults and were each other’s worlds.
I’m now marred to my wife of 20 years and we have a home together, no children but a successful life by any measure. I love my wife dearly and tell her almost everything, she knows about the contact and encouraged me to start a conversation with my first love. I’ve avoided difficult things in the past, employing avoidance rather than facing things head on, and this is why she encouraged me.
It’s been wonderful to speak to my first love again, and it’s brought up emotions I thought long gone. I’m not sleeping, eating little and completely preoccupied by thoughts of what we once had; I feel love sick, but for a squandered past, not a realistic present. I’m bipolar so this is particularly dangerous for me and for anyone else out there like me, I’m working to try and stay grounded, away from the mania and get some rest, but it’s hard.
I broke off the relationship back then, because I was afraid of what we were committing to and because I was being manipulated by a very toxic group of people who in hindsight, only wanted to sow chaos and take pleasure in my humiliation. I was not diagnosed back then and so was particularly vulnerable when experience the extremes. If I knew now what I knew then, I would not have been so reckless with her emotions, as it caused her immense pain and led her on a path of self destruction for a number of years.
She’s has moved back to near where I live after being on the other side of the country for the past nearly 3 decades. I desperately want to meet her for coffee and look at her eyes again, but I’m also supremely cautious because I don’t want to upset my wife and am also afraid of what I might be feeling.
Any advice gratefully received on how I navigate this. I should also mention that whereas I don’t have children, my first love does and two of them are quite young, one is an adult.
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Thank you all of you for your advice and guidance, and for your kindness in share it with me. I ate some food last night and have slept, which has brought the mania back down to a more manageable level, and with that I’ve taken on board and heard all that you’ve collectively said.
My plan is to talk to my wife this weekend about what I’ve been going through and ask how she would feel about having a coffee with my first love. I really thought through what matters most to me and it’s the present, the future and that is with my wife. She’s a wonderful woman who has helped me through so much and my life now wouldn’t even be recognisable to 18 year old me. Through her I found the strength to recover from addiction, face my mental health demons, go to University and become the successful privacy lawyer I am today. All of this would not have happened without her strength and support.
If you’re reading this you probably wonder why the voice above the edit, and the voice below it, are so different in tone; the answer is my bipolar disorder and it’s sometimes extremely hard for me to see that change happening.
Just forget about it. No good will come of this. Best case scenario, you meet up and realize that you are different people and what you had back then was what it was and you’re romanticizing it. Worst case, you throw away a life you’ve made with a wife for 20 yrs and you fuck up her two kids family. Nothing good will come from this. Keep the past in the past.
Your post made me a bit cross, because I think I know you’re right. Thank you for that, probably needed someone to tell me that.
Besides the excellent way that Logan put it for you, I just wanted to add some game of thrones context for you, as Aegon (IIRC) said to Jon Snow, “kill the past, so the future may live”. Young love goggles are nice, but you are both different people.
To my shame, I never watched it but I appreciate the sentiment.
I typed that up quick and admittedly, I could’ve phrased it differently. The intent of my words I stand behind though. Thanks for not biting my head off :)
Not at all, took it in the spirit you meant it
Ah, yes, the two options getting disillusioned or woah, let’s fuck 🤦♀️
Does it occur to you that people can meet in different contexts and have different relationships over time?
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Sorry I’m confused, what did I say that was wrong?Ignore me, you were replying to someone else, sorry.Yeah, people who have nothing to say but „you suck“ and people who mistake opinions for facts and perceptions and experiences for reality are totally fine though…
“Haha look at me being more emotionally secure than others by pointing out exes CAN be friends without thinking about any nuances!”
I say that being a person who is actually longtime friends with an ex. Being able to do that does require some emotional maturity - from both parties. Pointing out that fact doesn’t even help 99% of the time because every relationship is different - and in some cases, you genuinely can’t be friends with an ex, because sometimes there’s a damn good reason you two broke up.
Anyways: OP, I’m gonna give my two cents. First cent: talk to your wife about this, and bring up how you have been feeling because that’s also a part of confronting stuff like this, which your wife seems to be advocating for. That should’ve been the top comment of advice!
Second cent: you and this ex have had basically no communication for like, 3 decades, right? You don’t know this person anymore. That high-school girl in your memories? She’s gone now, doesn’t exist anymore. Now you take that context away from her and treat this person as somebody entirely new, more or less. This girl you haven’t talked to in 3 decades is a (I am assuming) single mom who has two kids, and has moved to near where you live now. Kind of a fuckin strange coincidence if you ask me, but those can and do genuinely happen as a true coincidence. If you do end up meeting with her, you’re not meeting up with your high-school sweetheart; you’re meeting up with a 45-year-old lady with kids (and once again assuming, maybe a broken marriage or two). What you have with your wife now will never be worth giving up for this random-ass lady.
I know I said two cents, but here’s a third: if she tries to start stuff with you, leave, cut contact, and tell your wife - even if deep down, you really, really want to do stuff with your ex. In your particular scenario, given your history with her, if she does actually do something like that, she’s disrespecting you as a person because she would be ignoring what you have built with your wife in the life you lived without the ex for the most part - that’s more than enough reason to not engage in that kind-of behavior with a person like that. Not saying she will do that, but if that’s ever a bridge you need to cross, better to burn that bridge entirely.
I’m sorry I missed this comment when you posted it, but your second cent is an absolute gem, truly a series of thoughts I’d not considered. I’m not the same person I was 30 years, so why would she be.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for this. I’ve put an update above on my plans and it follows what you’ve advised, I really appreciate the advice my friend.
Your wife knows about the contact, instead of coffee for just two of you, invite your old friend over for coffee and to meet your wife. It may help you settle some of the distress you’re feeling to recontextualize this person from your past with your anchors in your present.
I had genuinely not thought of that, it slightly fills me with fear to have past and present sat around our table.
It’s really not worth it. We all long for things in the past when we were younger and life was more exciting. Stick with the present and future. Meeting up with this past lover is a really bad idea.
Thank you, I appreciate you views here.
A lot of things that are worth doing are scary. It sounds like you have a really good open and honest relationship with your wife, I’d talk to her about it beforehand so she can be on the same page as you.
She can tell your wife funny embarrassing stories. It could be awesome.
Yeah, nope.
You need to talk to a professional (e.g. A therapist familiar with bipolar). This would be complicated even if you didn’t have the added complication of the bipolar mania.
But if you won’t do that, here’s a TL;DR.
You do not know this person. A lifetime has passed since you knew them. You are painting a rosier picture of the past than necessarily existed. Do not throw away what you have for a fantasy.
Thanks friend, others suggested this too and I have two extra appointments confirmed for the next two weeks to discuss this. Appreciate you looking out for me here, genuinely I do.
In your situation, I wouldn’t. I’d leave the past in the past, particularly given the fact that you’ve found love with someone else.
Thank you, I appreciate you and your advice. Would it change things if I said my wife and I had slept in separate beds for the past two years?
Why would it? Is that a problem for you? If so, talk to your wife about it.
There are literally hundreds of posts on the old relationship subreddits that start out the way yours did and end up having a “I pursued this new thing and deeply regret it” update.
Thanks for the viewpoint, I appreciate the advice.
In the end, only you know what’s best, but it’s probably good that you’re crowdsourcing opinions. Be sure to talk about it with the people you’re close to who know you.
Thanks, my problem is the only person who I was really close to other than my wife, and who knew me from then all the way through killed himself back in 2021. I’m slightly sad to admit but I don’t have the sort of friends I can talk to about this. Crowdsourcing is definitely a good option for me today.
Kings and queens had separate beds too. My wife and I sleep in different beds. It’s fairly common. If you guys aren’t intimate that’s different. If you’re not intimate and you’re wife is encouraging you to speak with this old flame then there are some real issues most likely.
Thanks friend, I appreciate that perspective.
How is “talk to your wife” not the top comment?
All relationships are different. In some partners don’t even want the other looking at someone else (pretty toxic imo) others are polyamorous, and everything between. None of us can know your relationship well enough to give very solid advice. At best we can offer our opinions based on our experience and values.
I’m shocked that someone said the best you can hope for is realizing that you’re different people now. That’s not a best, that’s a minimum. You’ve spent decades apart. But that doesn’t mean that you couldn’t be good friends. Hell, for all we know you’ve got a type and she and your wife would become good friends.
But the first step has to be communication. Going to meet an old flame only for it to be discovered later looks incredibly suspicious even if those are not the circumstances.
For my part I would suggest telling your wife you’ve been thinking about meeting up with her for coffee or whatever because it’s been so long and that maybe you could meet up with your wife after. That gives you the chance to get your footing but obligates you to get them together.
At the heart of it though, I think, is who you don’t trust. You clearly don’t trust yourself with your ex, but which of these two women are you having trouble with? Neither, one, both? Answer that question and I think you’ll have an easier time sorting out your troubles.
Thanks for the advice, you took time on that and I genuinely appreciate it. On the question, I think I don’t trust myself and my first love. I trust my wife without question. I think speaking to her about meeting up was always in my mind to do but I was worried about what might happen at the meeting, or as a result of the meeting. Talking is indeed absolutely the right course of action.
Stay friends if you want. Good friends are hard to come by but DONT let it become anymore than that. You said you have a good life with your wife who you love dearly. Dont throw it away for what could have been.
Thank you, I appreciate the advice.
A good marriage/partnership is worth protecting. People chase self actualization and blow up their lives all the time.
Maybe give your attention to improving your current relationship? Therapy together? Something that will improve your already good life.
Wishing you the best.
Thanks friend, I appreciate it.
Of course. I truly wish you the best.
I’m going to go against the popular options so far and suggest you do it, but while making sure your wife is okay with that.
Ask your old friend if it would be okay if you can meet her with your wife. Ask your wife the same and then meet her with your wife there with you. Maybe include the children so it’s a fun meeting between the families.
I have a feeling that a situation like this might help you snap out of all the worries you’re immersed in and enjoy reconnecting with an old friend without doubting your current partnership with your wife.
That’s a curveball, friend, but I like your style. Open chats with all parties, make it a family affair. A touch of honesty can work wonders.
Hope you find a solution that works for you :) I read many of your replies and sincerely hope you find a solution. My tangential suggestions would be to try some grief counseling/therapy about the friend who passed away and talk to a therapist and if necessary a couple’s counselor about the sleeping in two beds issue.
Thanks again my friend, I appreciate you and your advice. I have booked two additional sessions with my counsellor to discuss this issue and I’ve been working through the grief with them, but it’s hard. Loosing someone to suicide is so difficult to process, I’ve lost people before but this feels like grief with an amplifier attached. I’ll work it through. The separate beds started after that because it had a lot of difficulty sleeping and didn’t want my wife to have to lose sleep too, but you are right, I need to talk it all through and face it. Thank you again.
No worries. I know what you mean. I’ve had someone close to me pass away like this and I don’t even remember the first year after that. Everything was on autopilot.
I’ve found it useful to do something with your hands that let you express yourself such as painting, woodworking or gardening. Especially because I’ve a hard time vocalising things like this.
Good on you for taking care of your own mental health :) That in itself is a great achievement.
I’m sorry for your loss my friend, and I appreciate what you’re saying. My thing is poetry and verse, I’ve been trying to get back to it but everything I seem to write isn’t good. I did however sleep for a solid six hours last night and wrote something this morning about letting first love go which I’m actually proud of. I find it very cathartic. I also struggle to speak out loud what I’m feeling, but writing it is somehow easier for me.
Sending you the very best vibes.
Thank you :) I’m proud of you for sleeping well and doing something you loved.
Poetry is great for expressing things that can’t be easily vocalised.
I write too but articles rather than poetry I have struggled with writing after my PTSD started. Reading how you’ve persisted has inspired me to try again. Thank you!
Thank you, and remember you got this.
Maybe process your thoughts and feelings out with a counsellor/ pyschologist? They’ll be unbiased and can help ground you to a healthy frame of mind.
Thanks for this, I read your comments when you posted them but have just been booking a couple of extra sessions. Really good shout and thanks for reminding me I have this.
It will never be what it was, and you’re presumably happy with your wife. Consider it a walk down memory lane, but know that you’re wearing rose coloured glasses and should see it only as a nice memory, not an opportunity or path forward.
I was aware I’m looking at this through those rose tinted lenses, but thanks for reminding me. It’s great looking on back on life 30 years ago, I had not responsibility but tons of free time, so it’s easy to think it was all like that.
This exact thing happened to several people in my parents friend group… it didn’t work out a single time. Whatever issues you have with your wife, work on them or break up but don’t get together with the new lady before you figure out why you would ever think these feelings were anything other than infatuation. I know that sounds harsh but I’ve literally seen this again and again and everytime people got hurt very badly.
Thanks for taking the time to bring this advice, I appreciate your perspective.
There was a woman that I was in love with a little over 20 years ago. She was my idea of physically attractive–definitely not most people’s idea of attractive–and was so entirely fundamentally broken that it triggered intense feelings of being protective towards her along with desire. She was smart, sarcastic, liked cats (yeah, that’s pretty important), and was also entirely addicted to opiates and cocaine. She was very open about how fucked up she was. I was fucked too; I was not a mentally or emotionally healthy person in the least.
If I had ended up being in a long-term relationship with her, I would almost certainly have ended up dead by now; I either would have gotten equally addicted to opiates, or I would have killed myself at some point. Thankfully, since I couldn’t supply her with drugs, she wasn’t interested in anything long-term with me.
I look her up every so often on Facebook. She’s still alive, and posts the same kind of angsty cringe shit she would have posted if Facebook had existed 20-odd years ago (and, to be brutally honest, the kind of angsty cringe shit I used to post before I quit doing anything except lurking). If I spoke with her again, I’d probably have to deal with the same unresolved feeling again, because there really isn’t a resolution to them. It would be dangerous to me to get close, and so I don’t.
There have been several women like her in my life; I am not in contact with any of them, and I do not plan on having anything other than–at most–electronic communication with them at any point in the future.
Feelings are not enough to make a functional, coherent relationship. Feelings are necessary, but are not the only thing. You can love someone completely, even recognizing all of their many, deep, and varied flaws, and that doesn’t mean that it’s going to be good or healthy for you. Or for them. Mistakes happen, and you hurt people. You can apologize and be a better person in the future, but you also can’t unwind the past.
I would strongly suggest that you work on your current relationship rather than revisiting something your past. There are some things you’ve said about your own tendency towards avoidance, and about your relationship with your wife, that lead me to think that perhaps you could use some help with communication and intimacy. That’s not a bad thing; relationships can almost always be improved. If you are certain that you want to resume contact with this person, I would, at a bare fucking minimum, set very strong and clear boundaries about what is and is not appropriate to talk about, and I would suggest that you should ensure that your wife be a part of this contact–which is to say, a chaperone–so that the risks of going to an inappropriate place are reduced.
Thanks for sharing that, I appreciate the time it took to put that together and the effort in sharing it.
I think you nailed it on the head yourself - that all the things you’re feeling are for a “squandered past, not a realistic future.”
I’ve struggled with this situation as well, and those feelings never last. The other person feels like an “escape” from your current partner because they are a mystery. I love my SO, but I know all the dirty minutiae of living together for 7 years. He tends to fart loudly in the toilet when he thinks I’m asleep still, and sometimes lets his toenails get too long.
The little details like that don’t give your imagination much leeway, where a prospective life with another person is full of possibilities.
Don’t let this new person be an excuse to throw away your current relationship. It throwing such a huge wrench in your system is indicative of something being amiss in your marriage. Maybe there’s some distance, or needs not being met.
Crushes on other people happen in long term relationships, and are normal, but the response in a healthy relationship is being able to recognize that the lovesickness is fleeting. The bond with the new person isn’t fate: it’s just filling a hole at the moment.
Edit: a good test is this - if the other person had never come back into your life, would you still be happier if you left your wife? If the answer is yes, then perhaps you need to rethink your relationship, but do it alone. Don’t jump to a new one right away without sorting out the baggage from the previous one
Thank you very much for this, I laughed out loud at the farting becuase after 20 years of marriage that’s the good stuff and also for pointing out what I already knew to be true. I’ve been struggling with grief for 2 years and the person who I lost also knew my first love so this felt like some sort of divine connection - your comment about filling a hole is on the money. Thank you again, I really appreciate you and your advice.
You’re very welcome! I think the fact that you’re able to reflect so deeply on this is a really good thing.
Forgive my assumptions, but from what it looks like from the outside, you’ve come a long way down a pretty bumpy road. Lots of people get swept up in these feelings and regret it, but your self awareness is admirable. Sending good vibes and best wishes, whatever path you take
Thank you and again, you’re good at that cold read; it has been a long bumpy road and I am currently supported, stable and fulfilled. This for me I think is about dealing with addiction and regret…and that’s what I’m going to be talking to my counselor about at our next session. I really do appreciate all the advice I’ve had on this thread, some of it is a bit flippant but offered nonetheless, yours however has been insightful and welcome. Sending those good vibes back fellow internet stranger.
Simply put? Meeting her is a bad idea because you very clearly have feelings for your ex. If you’re having feelings then that’s something you might want to discuss that with your wife too… she’s been incredibly accepting so far, but you realizing you still have feelings (or might) is something you need to be honest about.
What is your intent in meeting your former flame for coffee? What are you hoping will happen? What are you afraid might happen?
Thanks for your advice and in answer to your question I just want to speak to her in person again after all this time. I’m afraid that she will still carry a flame for me, and honestly, I’m afraid I might feel that too in person and get swept up in it all.
Yeah, just skip the meeting, keep your memories in tact, and forget she ever contacted you. There is no good outcome from meeting her in person
You and being lured by the fantasy. The “good memories” of the time you had, and the not realistic ideas of what could be, the fantasy. Just like anybody and porn, the idea of banging or being with that person seems fucking awesome and appealing. Remind yourself of reality, ground yourself from the fantasy, you have acquired baggage, so has she. You are different people, whether you realize it or not.
Logically and emotionally walk through the consequences: You both suddenly fall madly in love with each other. You cheat on your spouse, who has shared everything with you for two decades. You hurt your wife terribly, because she trusted you. You betrayed that trust. Now Imagine she did that, put yourself in her shoes, and not for just a quick thought. Really think about how you would feel if you encouraged her to be strong and grow (as you have for 20 years one hopes). And she leaves you for a childhood fantasy from over 20 years ago. Think about how much that would hurt you. Think about the repercussions. Think about what your friends and families would think and how they would react to her leaving you like that. After all that can you really consider doing that to her?
Recognize that it is just a fantasy. Think of all the time you would have wasted by throwing what you have built away.
And if you still want to meet her and catch up and risk trying to create a PLUTONIC friendship with her… Here is my advice: BRING YOUR WIFE. It will make your position clear to the old flame. when you meet, focus yourself on talking about the life you and the wife have had together and about how great she is. And in your head focus on the flames defects, find defects, everyone has them. Remind yourself that the woman your with has compromised and ignored your faults helped you grow, as you have helped her. This old flame has been out of your life for two decades and isn’t in a relationship. That is a giant bright red flag, you may have moved past the issues you had growing up. She may have not grown at all.
Personally I wouldn’t risk it, but if you do focus on how much you love and don’t want to hurt your spouse and destroy everything you have built together. Once you break that trust, you may Never get it back. (How much would you trust her if she banged an old flame, or left you and then tried to come back?)
Thank you for the effort you put into that advice, I genuinely appreciate and hear what you say.
