Getting rid of parking spaces just creates frustration among commuters unless you provide real practical alternatives to driving — dedicated bike lanes; proper public transport that has enough seats, runs frequently and on time, and arrives close to where people are going; and/or formal car pooling.
Bicycles aren’t practical for everyone. Public transport that requires passengers to stand for 20 minutes or more while crammed in like sardines; or public transport that runs every half-hour or more, isn’t useful — it actually discourages use of public transport. The only car pooling that I’ve seen work is when it’s organised within large companies so that people are going to the same destination and have something in common to talk about on the ride.
Waving a magic wand and canceling car parks is most definitely not useful unless proper alternatives are available.
I despise car-reliant infrastructure as much as anyone but yeah, this has to be approached from all sides you can’t just punish people who use cars due to there being no alternative, and then STILL give them no alternative.
That said, the article implies that this is in fact part of a larger plan and just removes one blocker, so I guess we’ll see if that ends up being true or not.
Depends quite a lot o the climate and time. If your in a place where ice and heat stroke aren’t common, and have a shower at work, and don’t have to travel at night, and don’t have to deal with sharing the road with fifty mile an hour traffic, and can afford to spend the extra hour or so a day, and can find a place to stash your bike where it won’t be stolen immediately, etc…
Bicycles require a lot of infrastructure and time, as well as an amenable climate. As much as i would like for the vast majority of humanity to be able commute every day by bike, the infrastructure simply isn’t there even in the places where you don’t have harsh winters. The goal of all transit, be it bike metro bus or car, is to get people from point A to B in the most effective way practical.
Build the infrastructure, and they will come. If they don’t, then figure out what you did wrong with the infrastructure.
I work 20+ miles from where I live due to what I can afford. I’m not biking that lol I’d consider taking a train if I could take the bike to the train and from the train station to work. But I’d still be biking on busy roads not safe for bikers
Not when the weather is shit. You’re not gonna get humanity to get up for a bike ride and have to take a shower on arrival just to go get groceries, for example.
There are a lot of different things that impact this, not just weather. The point isn’t about not picking one thing but to recognize it’s not feasible for everyone, full stop.
If there was really solid bike infrastructure, I think covered electric tricycles capable of towing small capsule trailers could fill that gap fairly well. Something like this or this.
nothing can be done, so let’s just stick our heads in the sand and wail.
oh wait, no, human behavior and values change over time. so we can use that to our advantage by not enabling selfish fucks who refuse to change with the times. No one’s expecting metro service to rural households, but also, it’s insane to expect your right to your own single person transport while the world is on freaking fire.
so you do you bud, but understand the rest of society is going to change and you can fight it, but it won’t make you right.
Adjusting parking minimums and reducing parking over time is absolutely the way to promote alternatives. It promotes higher better access to services (as land can be used for alternatives) and cheaper housing (meaning you can live closer to where you work).
The reality is we are vastly overparked. Depending on where you live, there can be 8 TIMES the number of parking spaces than cars. You can pretty easily reduce parking by 1/3 and have near zero impact for drivers 99% of the time (maybe on black Friday you may need to take a ride).
Also, just want to point out to the conservatives and libertarians in the crowd: Parking Minimums are a TAX. Worse, they are a tax that overly affects small business that is less likely to be able to get the support they need endure the taxes effect on their finances.
Getting rid of parking spaces just creates frustration among commuters unless you provide real practical alternatives to driving — dedicated bike lanes; proper public transport that has enough seats, runs frequently and on time, and arrives close to where people are going; and/or formal car pooling.
Bicycles aren’t practical for everyone. Public transport that requires passengers to stand for 20 minutes or more while crammed in like sardines; or public transport that runs every half-hour or more, isn’t useful — it actually discourages use of public transport. The only car pooling that I’ve seen work is when it’s organised within large companies so that people are going to the same destination and have something in common to talk about on the ride.
Waving a magic wand and canceling car parks is most definitely not useful unless proper alternatives are available.
Edit: Also, the plural of “minimum” is “minima“.
Yeah, but at minimum, it may be good to get rid of mandatory parking minimums and the prioritization of good parking next to mass transit.
It doesn’t have to be a lot of pain, but a little can help.
Yup, this can easily be a 10 year + project.
I despise car-reliant infrastructure as much as anyone but yeah, this has to be approached from all sides you can’t just punish people who use cars due to there being no alternative, and then STILL give them no alternative.
That said, the article implies that this is in fact part of a larger plan and just removes one blocker, so I guess we’ll see if that ends up being true or not.
Yeah, don’t buy into the strawman. At no point did anyone say “let’s not do anything else”. Removing the parking minimum tax enables the rest of it.
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Depends quite a lot o the climate and time. If your in a place where ice and heat stroke aren’t common, and have a shower at work, and don’t have to travel at night, and don’t have to deal with sharing the road with fifty mile an hour traffic, and can afford to spend the extra hour or so a day, and can find a place to stash your bike where it won’t be stolen immediately, etc…
Bicycles require a lot of infrastructure and time, as well as an amenable climate. As much as i would like for the vast majority of humanity to be able commute every day by bike, the infrastructure simply isn’t there even in the places where you don’t have harsh winters. The goal of all transit, be it bike metro bus or car, is to get people from point A to B in the most effective way practical.
Build the infrastructure, and they will come. If they don’t, then figure out what you did wrong with the infrastructure.
Oh the Urbanity had a great video on how a large portion of non-commuting trips can be made by bicycle.
I work 20+ miles from where I live due to what I can afford. I’m not biking that lol I’d consider taking a train if I could take the bike to the train and from the train station to work. But I’d still be biking on busy roads not safe for bikers
Part of why you have to live so far is because parking minimums create vast amounts of space that sits empty 90% of the time.
The other part is because of stringent zoning regulations that kill real housing options.
Not when the weather is shit. You’re not gonna get humanity to get up for a bike ride and have to take a shower on arrival just to go get groceries, for example.
There are a lot of different things that impact this, not just weather. The point isn’t about not picking one thing but to recognize it’s not feasible for everyone, full stop.
People do this all the time in communities that emphasize biking. Easily. And actually, it isn’t that difficult to do.
Further, driving isn’t feasible for everyone, but driving is emphasized in such a way that alternatives cannot thrive.
See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU
If there was really solid bike infrastructure, I think covered electric tricycles capable of towing small capsule trailers could fill that gap fairly well. Something like this or this.
Good. Let them be frustrated, because that’s how you get public support for real practical alternatives to driving!
Quit bending over backwards to accommodate cars FIRST and the good urbanism will follow.
nothing can be done, so let’s just stick our heads in the sand and wail.
oh wait, no, human behavior and values change over time. so we can use that to our advantage by not enabling selfish fucks who refuse to change with the times. No one’s expecting metro service to rural households, but also, it’s insane to expect your right to your own single person transport while the world is on freaking fire.
so you do you bud, but understand the rest of society is going to change and you can fight it, but it won’t make you right.
Adjusting parking minimums and reducing parking over time is absolutely the way to promote alternatives. It promotes higher better access to services (as land can be used for alternatives) and cheaper housing (meaning you can live closer to where you work).
The reality is we are vastly overparked. Depending on where you live, there can be 8 TIMES the number of parking spaces than cars. You can pretty easily reduce parking by 1/3 and have near zero impact for drivers 99% of the time (maybe on black Friday you may need to take a ride).
Also, just want to point out to the conservatives and libertarians in the crowd: Parking Minimums are a TAX. Worse, they are a tax that overly affects small business that is less likely to be able to get the support they need endure the taxes effect on their finances.