• blarghly@lemmy.world
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    Interesting video, but I disagree with its conclusion that the downtown’s decline is due to NAFTA, nor that its revitalization is “impossible”.

    NAFTA did a lot of things, and few people understand it, so it often makes a convenient punching bag. However, even in the context of the video the criticism makes little sense to me - NAFTA liberalized trade between the US and Mexico so that factories moved from hiring undocumented migrants in the US to hiring Mexicans in Mexico… that seems like a totally reasonable change to make.

    Instead, downtowns tend to be in decline because of specific government policies and local conditions. In particular, government subsidies for single family homes, auto infrastructure, and corporate big box stores, which draw people out of city centers with lower prices and greater convenience. El Paso, in particular, has probably seen its downtown remain in decline (compared to cities like Dallas and Austin) due to crime driven by US drug policy.

    However, in an efficient market, downtown areas like El Paso should never be hallowed out unless the area as a whole is bleeding population. The natural progression of a city in decline is to see its population abandon outlying areas, continually re-occupying depopulated land close to the city center. Beyond auto-oriented government subsidies, this hallowing-out of city centers is driven by speculative land holding. The owners of those big, old, beautiful buildings have little incentive to perform upkeep, rent out apartments, or fill their ground-floor retail spaces because the expense of simply owning the building and land and waiting for the value to go up is less than the expense of investing in and running the building to serve the community. The solution to this problem is a Georgist land value tax, which incentivizes land owners to shit or get off the pot - either fill your retail space with shops and your apartments with tenants, or sell the land and building to someone who will.

    Sidebar: while economic analysis of international trade agreements is always fraught, the general consensus is that NAFTA was good for the average person in both the US and Mexico. Gains for the average person were not as large as were projected, but did exist and were significant. The largest gains for the average person came not in the form of wage growth, but instead in the lower cost of consumer goods, including necessities such as food, transportation, and clothing. While a significant minority of the poor and middle class in both the US and Mexico did experience losses due to the agreement, on the whole, the agreement did not create a wealth transfer from the poor to the rich, but rather created a regressive gain across the economic spectrum - ie, the rich benefitted more, but the poor still benefitted. One particularly interesting point to consider is that Mexico’s rate of extreme poverty has decreased significantly since NAFTA - this can be directly attributed to progressive policy implementations in the Mexican government. But the funding for these progressive policies benefitted greatly from the expansion of the Mexican economy which was enabled via NAFTA. Modern economists, who have developed a more nuanced view of international trade policy since NAFTA was ratified (in part, driven by the observed effects of NAFTA), certainly have their critiques - but these critiques should be viewed as lessons learned to be applied to future trade deals. Contemporary critiques of the deal, however, were significant, and failures to modify the deal to address them contributed to the regressive nature of the economic gains. In particular, strong protections for labor rights and the environment would have shunted more of the economic gains to workers and communities rather than to corporate profits. And agreeing to the creation of funds to ease the transition for vulnerable individuals and communities (like El Paso) would have helped preserve many of the most impacted local economies better - though domestic policy likely played a bigger role here, and the critique should lay not just on the implementation of the trade deal but also in the US government’s response to its impacts and general social support of its citizens. On the whole, NAFTA was a net positive, and trade liberalization was likely necessary not just for national economic gains, but to avoid economic contraction in an increasingly globalized economy. The exact implementation deserves critique, but this critique should not be taken as a condemnation of international trade or as evidence in favor of protectionist policies. Instead, the critiques should be taken as areas for improvement to create more equitable distributions of the wealth generated by liberalized trade, and as areas for the attention of domestic welfare policy when international agreements fall short. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

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    As climate change continues the mass migration west and south will reverse or otherwise shift north. Cities south short of those on the west coast will most likely continue to shrink. If you’re looking to buy land or homes that will increase in value over the next 50 years look north to underpopulated areas with large fresh water resources.

    The area may be good for someone wanting to live out a mad max / tank girl / slab city style life where you buy up a whole ghost town for you and some wild west entourage.

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      Very doomer take. People already live in Phoenix and a Las Vegas. People have lived in the Sahara and Arabian Peninsula for thousands of years. We could equally imagine El Paso land exploding in value as Mexicans flee across the border north from increasing heat waves.

      The main issues of a hotter climate for a place like El Paso will be hotter days and lack of water.

      Hotter days are solved easily by resting mid day, while waking up earlier and sleeping later. Or else by air conditioning. Ideally, air conditioning in the form of air conditioned blocks of public space and apartment buildings, as the surface area to volume ratio of these would be much more favorable compared to individual houses and cars - but Phoenix and Vegas prove it can work fine with cars as well. Also, an emphasis on improving shade and airflow in outdoor areas - a 120° day becomes a much more pleasant 90° day if the park you are in has lots of shade trees and a nice breeze, or if the restaurant you are eating outside of has awnings and fans.

      Water is more difficult. Except wait, no, it isn’t. We already have the technology for transporting large amounts of liquids long distances - they’re called pipelines, and the fossil fuel industry uses them liberally (when allowed to). Even if all water sources around El Paso dried up, sufficient public pressure could be applied to build a pipeline there to provide for the city’s water needs. And a city’s water needs are almost never that much. Low flow toilets and showerheads are very nice and all, and would certainly come more into vogue in this case - but the big water users in any area are always agriculture, followed by lawns. Eliminate those two, and there is plenty of water for people to drink, bathe in, and flush their poop. Simply applying appropriate water pricing structures could ensure this - every home gets sufficient water for their daily needs for free, then beyond that, water use is charged at increasing rates for increasing use. And if everyone stops doing dumb shit like growing alfalfa in the desert and trying to make their front yard look like scotland, then the city will still easily have enough water left over to provide abundant leafy street trees and public parks with grassy fields for relaxation and recreation. On the front of food, since most agriculture in the area will now be unprofitable… it doesnt matter. Most cities already import most of the food they consume from distant areas. Rice and beans are cheap and easy to import on a train car.

      The real question is - will anyone want to live in El Paso? And that has a lot more to do with things like crime in the area, available jobs, affordability, and how enjoyable it is to live there.

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        Didn’t mean to offend, I was mostly joking with the Mad Max / Tank Girl situation. Everything is possible with enough incentives. I’m not sure if the incentives are there particularly as the area becomes as hot as death valley is currently. Maybe if they find some very valuable natural resources in the area. Unlike countries where it’s entirely hot a US citizen can move to a more habitable location. I would say El Paso is essentially lacking all the necessary things that are in similarly hot locations with a large population, mainly a good reason for anyone to be there.

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          The “just move” take is one of privilege as many people in these areas are unable to or will be priced out of moving to livable areas. Until they essentially become water refugees you’ll continue to see people living there.

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            There’s a lot of dirt cheap areas that aren’t lethally hot, take it from someone who knows the eastern areas of Tennessee and west Virginia. There’s absolutely no shortage of cheap places to be in the states. Similarly as someone who has moved multiple times on fumes in my tank across the country, where there’s a will there is a way even if it’s hopping trains. Now if you’re too old to manage and have zero friends or family then yeah makes sense. Make sure you do something with your time on earth to enjoy your golden years. I personally live like a king on 10k per year because I made choices for myself with my brain.

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              I agree with you here. I just think that it isnt a given that people will choose to leave the desert southwest - or anywhere else for that matter - simply because of heat.

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                People move literally just to get away from the cold all the time. The classic one is the New Yorker having a Florida retirement. One of the biggest attractions of a location is its weather, like SD and LA which likely would be much smaller if it wasn’t so moderate in weather.

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                  I don’t disagree. But people also don’t move all the time despite the weather. Sure, retired New Yorkers move to Florida (or, I will point out, Arizona) - but they continue living in New York for their working careers because that’s where the jobs are. No one particularly loves Houston weather, and yet it is one of the largest cities in the country.