Also, even with countries that have a public option private insurance is usually still allowed. There are zero good arguments against it and a lot of superfluous nonsense meant to muddy the waters.
NYT are a fascist mouthpiece
Yeah but you see, for that there is precedent in American history.
Abolish NYT? There is probably precedent for that too.
Freedom for all would abolish private slave ownership and trade. There’s no precedent in Roman history.
This is how dumb arguments like this one sound. Only a genocidal maniac could unironically spew nonsense like this.
Fuck the NYT. I unsubscribed the moment they started shit talking Bernie back in the day.
As long as they keep publishing david brooks columns, they’re a mouthpiece for fascism
There is no president in history of insurance being so expensive and worthless.
If there were two candidates I could vote for, one of them saying they would establish universal healthcare but allow private insurance to continue; and one who would establish universal healthcare and promise to abolish private insurance - I would emphatically vote for the latter.
The American precedent is life continuously getting worse for the 99% with no pushback
Someone needs to think of the shareholders who would need to sell their mega yachts because of this madness.
I am 100% in favor of universal health care. But as a realist I also recognize there are millions of people who work in the health insurance industry who would become unemployed. So that is an issue that would need to be addressed as well. Because a massive increase in unemployment depresses wages for everyone.
Replacing private insurance with medicare would likely need lot of office work and infrastructure so it could absorb some of it. They might also be allowed to transform into smaller scale companies that outsurce their services to the government for these purposes (though they would likely need to downsize). After working in such a hell hole though, some of them might need some workshops in empathy.
In any case agreed they should look out for folks affected by such a fallout but CEOs and upper management can go lap up Trump’s diarrhea for all I care.
“Quitting predatory business practices would abolish all predatory businesses!”
Oh no. Anyway…
Most people are missing the subtext on this: they’re saying you’d wipe out an entire industry overnight and literally millions of people would be unemployed overnight. Given the pisspoor state of the welfare system in America this is actually a fairly serious issue that must be accounted for whenever a transition actually occurs. It also means a huge block of potential voters, anyone who works for Cigna, Aetna, Kaiser permanente, bcbs, etc, is going to be far more likely to oppose any such changes. Plus other related industries like medical billing and families that are dependent on these incomes
This doesn’t mean we shouldn’t transition asap of course, it just means there’s a complex set of issues to navigate that honestly are never touched upon by people who propose healthcare reform. That’s how you know they aren’t serious. Either they’re proposing a system that props up these companies (ala Harris) which means the costs of medical care will not appreciably improve (America pays an insane amount of admin costs especially relative to other countries, like 5-7x as much). Or they are mentioning it with no intention to make it happen
My insurance does that, plus charges me more than not having insurance until I hit the $13k
Maybe it’s my English, but I don’t read this as NYT defending the current US medical system
It’s not. The people in this sub didn’t read the article, they’re just reacting to the headline
It’s a 7 year old news article about the potential economic impacts of proposed sweeping reforms to health care in the United States.
It’s literally just an article for economists and investors about potential changes to the market
The quote isn’t even the focus of the article, it’s just one guy pointing out that there’s really nothing to base our predictions on because nothing like these proposed changes has happened before. Health Care is a trillion dollar industry that employs over half a million people nation wide and these companies stocks are popular among retirement accounts; what happens if we just wipe all of that out? Is it better to do it quickly? Slowly?
Nobody is saying single-payer health care is bad, in fact the article even points out the positives, it’s questioning what happens to peoples retirements funds and jobs and what impact would that have on the market as a whole and the economy in both the long and short term
Retirement accounts are a real issue, but could be solved by having the top wealthiest shareholders pay out to the poorest shareholders until retirements are guaranteed. This could also be combined with Social Security reform that requires wealthy people to contribute more and extract less from the system.
Presumably many of the actual healthcare workers and some of the admin workers would still be needed in a nationalized system. The insurance agents and related admin can all get other jobs. No one dreams of being an insurance agent as a kid, these people would be free to pursue more meaningful and useful work.
None of these are insurmountable problems for a government that actually serves the people instead of money. This article is just prevarication to cover our current governments inaction.
plenty of people dream of causing as much harm to as many people as possible, and insurance agents are kinda close to that
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If you’re asking people who have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo, then of course the problems are insurmountable. I never claimed to have all of the answers, but I know for damn sure that it is a lie that there is no solution, as these “experts” seem to be implying.
Also, no need to be so fucking rude.
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Why did the journalist for the New York Times waste all that effort asking professors and people that work at banks
because they’re propagandists for the epstein class
Oh shit, you figured it out. They also get paid by NASA to lie about the shape of the earth. And vaccines cause autism. The news is all lies and literally every single person on the planet is in on it. Journalists, publishers, professors at universities, EVERYBODY!!!
Thank God for random people on the internet that know to never trust the experts or read any articles because they already have all of the answers. Live in a world full of those people is awesome!
Wow you really think the nyt stands for something lmao
That’s exactly what flat earth supporters say about NASA
The people in this sub didn’t read the article, they’re just reacting to the headline
I mean, so am I.
it’s not even true, it’s a false premise – single payer medicare for all for all wouldn’t ban anything private, in fact medicare itself already works alongside private coverage and has done so for many decades. it’s nonsense at every level.
Aw man, if only you had actually read the article…
If only they didn’t publish a clickbait bullshit tweet
They didn’t. The tweet says that Medicare for all would abolish Private insurance. At the time, this was correct. The Medicare for all legislation that was being discussed was going to do literally that. Abolish private insurance
Then there’s a quote that says, “There’s no precedent in American History”. This is also true. Private Health Care, for better or worse, is a trillion dollar industry that employs over half a million people nation wide and makes up a decently sized portion of peoples retirement portfolios, never in this history of America has such a thing existed one day and been destroyed the next
The tweet didn’t say anything about private insurance being good or bad. The tweet didn’t say anything about the abolishing of private insurance being good or bad. It just stated two facts.
They’re talking about doing something that has never been done before
Somebody who didn’t read the article decided, for no real reason at all, that it was a hit piece and replied. Then somebody else who didn’t read the article thought the reply was this epic sick burn (even though it’s stupid as fuck because it has literally nothing to do with the article) and then shared it on sites like reddit to a bunch of other people who didn’t read the article and left a bunch of other stupid as fuck comments.
Here we are almost 7 fucking years later, and you’re all still idiots still not reading the article, still sharing the image because you think it’s relevant, and still commenting like you know something
Worse, is that when I point out that it’s stupid as fuck to comment on something you haven’t read, you guys think I’m the idiot. That’s how fucked we are. Your own reply to me proves you know clickbait exists and you still don’t think you should read the article before forming an opinion about it. That’s beyond fucking stupid.
Just read the fucking article. Educate yourself. That shouldn’t be a crazy thing to ask people to do
The Medicare for all legislation that was being discussed was going to do literally that
Discussed by lying politicians and the nyt yes
No, that was literally one of the options the Democrats were proposing. It was a bill drafted by Bernie Sanders. There were other options, but one such bill that could be backed was one that literally abolished private insurance entirely
Holy shit, how do you have such strong opinions if you don’t even know what was going on?
Oh I know, because you never actually read the fucking articles
Save the markets they said, it will ruin most people like you they said, they dont want their hegemony over health terminated like some stupid ass CEO shot in the street like a dog as they enter their earnings call while stepping over his body.
(In other words: fuck people’s retirements when its tied to death panels. You should not have invested in a death economy).
The article doesn’t say any of that
And still tries to decline your claims.
My sister had her gallbladder removed a decade or two ago. It was basically exploding or something in the er. Really disgusting amounts of pain.
Anyway, she was immediately denied as they couldn’t determine whether her gallbladder removal was elective or not. The doctor said something like “well fuck that, that’s why we have a team of lawyers.”
I think that’s a pretty succinct summary. Without one or more lawyers at your disposal we might as well all get fucked.
There was that little bit of time we got some claims through. Something about an Italian plumber.
If you were still wondering if the NYT shills for the oligarchs…
Always have
Well the title “Medicare For All Would Abolish Private Insurance” is true though.
The big question is why should we care? Why should this be our problem? Why should our hard earned money be used for profit instead working only as an insurance pool?
Things change, and one has to adapt (just look at the LLM crazy), same with insurance companies. They can similarly adapt and do something different, for example start offering non essential insurances that would be on top of the M4A. Not replacements though. Medicare “Advantage” should be abolished as well.
But, they’re liberals!
/s
I’m starting to think they are putting in subliminal messages, making their base ask ask “hang on, why is this bad?” Much like Fox has the progressive talking points front and center.
Abolition would destroy the cotton industry! There is no precedent in American history!
