An oldie, but a goodie

  • jose1324@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    What a toxic ass message. If he was my boss I would not tolerate this. It’s weird how many dickriders here are defending him here

      • Ignotum@lemmy.world
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        10 months ago

        Whoa WhoaWhoa, SHUT THE FUCK UP!

        It’s a mistake alright - by the boss. How long have you been an employee? And you still haven’t learned the first rule of employment?

        We never EVER blame the employee. How hard can this be to understand?

        • uis@lemmy.world
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          10 months ago

          So Linus should have sided with someone who in regression report of KDE using 100% CPU starts blaming pulseaudio and opensuse and double down on blaming pulseaudio? Instead of fixing syscall returning completely unrelated error code. It’s like if your router crashed with message “there is no milk in your fridge”.

          • Skates@feddit.nl
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            10 months ago

            There’s a difference between disagreeing with someone and insulting and attacking someone, and if you can’t tell that there’s a difference you can go fuck yourself with a cactus, you cumdrowned dicksphincter.

        • lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de
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          10 months ago

          if only this were true.
          fingers will always be pointed at us developers even as management takes full credits for the success every other time. :(

    • sorrybookbroke@sh.itjust.works
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      10 months ago

      Well, he isn’t anyone’s boss here. I agree, and so would linus nowadays, that this is toxic and should be avoided, but the anger I fully understand.

      Attempting to shift blame away from yourself after making a change which breaks a large portion of user space is cause for termination at any company I’ve worked at. It’s cowardice. This action goes against one of the most important, core philosophies, of the kernal. Do not break userspace. Also, this person should know better. They are not some odd newbie who may not grasp the ideas yet.

      In a world where termination is not an option harsh crutisism is required. This though, I agree, was anger driven unprofessionalism

      • DefederateLemmyMl@feddit.nl
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        10 months ago

        I think there may also be a cultural angle here. Anglo-Saxon culture really places a much higher emphasis on “not causing offense”, whereas other cultures place a higher emphasis on speaking truthfully, even if harshly.

        So Linus, who grew up in Finland, may have thought of his message as harsh but fair, whereas to native English speakers it comes across as incredibly rude.

        • areyouevenreal@lemm.ee
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          9 months ago

          It doesn’t come across as particularly rude given what the offense here is. Someone blamed other projects for their mistake after getting called out. That deserves harsh criticism.

          I think you are talking about American ideals. Not ideals in the English speaking world. Nothing here is remotely toxic by British standards. Swearing isn’t a big deal here, people regularly call each other swear words as a sign of affection. If someone does something stupid you can say they are acting like an idiot and hopefully they will listen. If you didn’t they might not think you are serious.

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        10 months ago

        There is a way to say all of that and not be a dick about it. Angry responses are seldom needed.

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      10 months ago

      Calling a bunch of people ‘dickriders’ is just as toxic as the Linus-message. Do what you want, but you are not an inch better than Linus.

      But yes, the mail is toxic and unacceptable.

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        10 months ago

        This has some real “don’t be intolerant towards the intolerant” energy.

        Yes, sometimes insults are justified. No, when an employee/volunteer helper doesn’t share your view is not one of those times. Yes, when you’re confronted with a toxic fuck and those defending his toxic behavior is one of those times.

      • SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works
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        10 months ago

        There’s a hell of a difference between calling random commenters “dickriders” and having your boss, whom you have a very unequal relationship with, berate you like this.

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            10 months ago

            He is the dickrider I’m talking about. Being contrarian for their beloved Linus.

            Me saying one derisive word on an online forum is not exactly the same as a business environment where your for the lack of a better word boss is publicly cussing you out and humiliating you. There are a million other ways to get the point across without being an ass about it.

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      10 months ago

      So glad he got therapy (after this post or very probably because of it).
      That said, fuck Nvidia.

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      10 months ago

      Honestly, if such incompetent developers weren’t as arrogant as to argue how their bullshit is the right way to go, I would agree with you. But instead their bullshit philosophy is the expected way to work in many places, and it’s the cancer of computer development, so the anger is deserved IMO.

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      10 months ago

      I mean he went ballistic, but how long did he tell Mauro? I would have fired Mauro instead.

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      10 months ago

      Nah, if you were spouting bullshit your boss won’t tolerate you.

      Linus never mails random contributers working on their own time. There are different maintainers for that.

      Linus sends mail to people working under him directly.

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      10 months ago

      Prolly cause your boss doesn’t have half the responsibilities Linus did or had to deal with as many retards.