• pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    5
    arrow-down
    12
    ·
    11 months ago

    So is the illusion of being able to shift the Overton window in any way more important than saving your supporters from genocide?

    • Cowbee@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      18
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      11 months ago

      Reread the original comment. It’s absolutely important to vote as loss prevention, but you’re never going to get meaningful systemic change towards the left via voting.

      Vote to protect, actually make grassroots movements like unionizing and organizing to move to the left.

        • Cowbee@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          17
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          11 months ago

          Reread the original comment. It’s absolutely important to vote as loss prevention, but you’re never going to get meaningful systemic change towards the left via voting.

          Vote to protect, actually make grassroots movements like unionizing and organizing to move to the left.

            • Cowbee@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              19
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              11 months ago

              Both are important, and you don’t get to only pick one. You can do both, prevent fascism and genocide, while also building up leftist structures like unions and networks of mutual aid.

              That’s like asking you if you’re going to wipe your ass after you shit or wash your hands, and saying you can only pick 1. This is the absolute dumbest “would you rather” and should be ignored and tossed in the trash.

              • pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                4
                arrow-down
                17
                ·
                11 months ago

                In the real world, you can only get one. So have some courage to be honest about what you’re really saying and choose:

                A) Shift the Overton window to the left, which will 100% guarantee Trump gets re-elected with the murder of millions

                B) Vote for a Democrat which will keep Trump out of office and save millions of lives, but keep the Overton window center-right for the rest of the decade

                Pick one. I dare you to truly be honest and do it.

                • Cowbee@lemm.ee
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  17
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  11 months ago

                  No, you terminally online radlib.

                  A) shift the Overton Window to the left via grassroots movements such as Unionization, organizing, setting up networks of mutual aid, building parallel structures, and advocate for others to do the same, while plugging your nose and voting Democrat to keep fascists out of office, LIKE I SAID IN THE ORIGINAL POST.

                  B) do whatever the fuck you’re doing, and try to encourage voter apathy while absolutely railing against anyone even suggesting both voting democrat and unionizing.

                  I pick option A, both denying Trump and also shifting the Overton Window to the left. You pick option B, doing absolutely jack shit while screaming online and also voting Democrat, leaving America an increasingly far-right state with nothing to to show for it in several years time.

                  Touch grass.

                  • pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    2
                    arrow-down
                    18
                    ·
                    11 months ago

                    Nope, you’re not weaseling out of the fact that you can’t admit you care more about your political agenda than stopping genocide and protecting your would-be constituents to me. You have to make a choice, and I’m gonna keep repeating that choice over and over until you make it.

                    Now, you only have two mutually exclusive choices.

                    A) Shift the Overton window to the left, which will 100% guarantee Trump gets re-elected with the murder of millions

                    B) Vote for a Democrat which will keep Trump out of office and save millions of lives, but keep the Overton window center-right for the rest of the decade

                    Pick one. I dare you to.

                • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  8
                  arrow-down
                  2
                  ·
                  11 months ago

                  keep the Overton window center-right for the rest of the decade

                  It’s the exact fucking opposite.

                  Every time a Democrat has won, the US has slowly become more left and passed left wing policies like “hey maybe more people should be able to afford healthcare” and “shit we better do something about the climate”. It is undeniable that Obamacare and the Inflation Reduction Act are the furthest left legislation of their time.

                  What’s happened every time a conservative has won however? You saw the Tea Party enabled and their takeover of the Republican Party because they won in 2010. You saw Trump enabled and takeover the Republican Party because he won in 2016. Every time Republicans have won, they’ve taken it as vindication and confirmation that their far right movement is successful.

                  You want the window to move left? Make sure the right wing loonies don’t win an election. If you can find a way to do that and also not support Democrats, I’m all ears.