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    Can’t really make apps for a site that doesn’t have an API. They did announce recently that Kbin’s API is nearly done, so soon there’ll be a flood of Kbin apps as well, and support for Kbin in all of the Lemmy apps too

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      and support for Kbin in all of the Lemmy apps

      Very much doubt. I’m sure many will but not all. The API isn’t identical so they’d have to commit to maintaining both.

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        Yeah I suppose not all of them will want to commit to supporting Kbin, but some definitely will. Honestly though, so long as it’s possible to search for and subscribe to Kbin magazines from Lemmy, that’s all I really care about.

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          If nothing else, the Sync developer said he’d do it.

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              Cool. Memmy is the best, but what is the purpose of a native kbin integration if it’s already federated? Are we able to view and not post or comment?

          • sliels
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            nice, that’s the one I’ve been hoping for the most!

          • chrizbie
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            I’m so so looking forward to sync, and it gives me a lot of hope seeing all of these apps and fancy UI’s, it’s reassuring that the fediverse is here to stay and will continue to grow

      • zelifcam
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        It would be great if someone created a fediverse browser native app. Log into all the platforms and add a translation layer to create a truly unique experience. Maybe it would only make sense if you could authenticate one account on all the activitypub platforms? I understand the amount of technical hurdles and maintenance to do so. I suppose I find the thought of experiencing them combined intriguing. If someone created A single app experience, in a intuitive way, I’d definitely give it a try. I can see lemmy posts on mastidon. Would be kind of cool if it could handle that and display those posts using a lemmy ui. But making it seamless.

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          The thing is, when an app does only 1 thing, it’s easy to make sure it does that thing well. It’s going to be a lot of work to support so many different API’s, keep them updated, and provide a good UI/UX.

          • @[email protected]
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            Yeah. Take the state of game emulation for example. Yes, Retroarch DOES have like 500 emulator “”“cores”“”, all of which can be configured from a single general purpose UI and using a single input layer.

            But holy shit does hat UI and input configuration SUCK DONKEY BALLS.

            My Anbernic is very happy running 80% of its consoles though it. But I do wish there was something better looking when I have the actual emulation layer running.

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        I don’t, it’s not that much more work as the basics of it won’t change that much over time and the functionality will be near identical. We might not get newer features that are eventually added though.

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          I would expect that 99% bits of your app that talk to the API can be the same for both, you just need to maintain slightly different code for interacting with each actual API.

          In fact scrolling further through the comments I see that not only is this how @hariette is handling it for Artemis but she’s also looking at making the talking to both APIs bit of the code available to other devs.

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        This is why Lemmy’s tangential features, such as being able to post from Mastodon accounts, or being able to post to that video service, are also not going to happen any time soon. It’s just a lot of moving pieces, for functionality that’s more interesting than useful.

    • SamXavia
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      @Nitrate55 I can’t wait to be able to use Kbin on the go, I’m really gonna have nothing be done at that point

      • fuzzzerd
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        You can install the kbin interface as a PWA on mobile, and it works pretty well. There are some kinks for sure, but it’s 100% usable and better than lemmy.

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        I do most of my kbin browsing on my phone using good old firefox.

        It isn’t perfect, but definitely works well enough until a dedicated mobile app comes out.

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          @snooggums Yeah I sometimes use the browser on my phone to use Kbin but it would be good to have a fully function App in the near future.

  • Victron
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    before the whole reddit clusterfuck and blackout started I created both kbin and lemmy accounts. One of those is just gathering dust

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      Yeah, I have a kbin account as well, but I prefer Lemmy so far, since it actually has a data API and I prefer the web interface over that of kbin (and now we have old.lemmy.world!)

      I am test driving Artemis for kbin, but Hariette and her team have an uphill battle until kbin comes up with an API, so development has been slow. Not their fault, of course.

      • hariette
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        API is almost done! Been using an internal build of the app that uses Artemis’ kbin instance with those changes. And oh god is so much better 👌

        So we’re nearing a point where apps for kbin will start popping up ✨

      • Victron
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        The more options the better. For now Lemmy is good and the apps are progressing at an awesome pace, honestly didn’t expect that.

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          The ace in the hole that Lemmy and kbin have is that it doesn’t matter which one you prefer because they can talk to each other. Can’t say the same about Squabbles.

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            Oh yeah, until someone decides to pull a beehaw and defederate, that’s why I have a kbin account too, but haven’t had the need to use it that much.

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              I just don’t care for kbin’s interface. It definitely seems to be a love it or hate it type of thing. I like that Lemmy is trying to be more of a Reddit replacement, while kbin fans seem to like that it doesn’t feel like one.

              BeeHaw gives me a toxic positivity vibe, so losing them from lemmy.world isn’t a big deal. I’d argue that they should not federate with anyone, but I can’t tell them what to do.

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                Yeah, since Lemmy.world started to grow like a mf, I don’t miss beehaw very much tbh, it absolutely scratches that early reddit itch

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      Same. I just don’t have a reason to use kbin. The interface is not my cup of tea and I don’t like the way they’ve handled communities or ‘mAgAzInEs’.

      • Victron
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        Yeah, also the fact that they have… microblogging or something? I have mastodon for that.

    • @[email protected]
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      I was thinking of making my first attempt at an android app a kbin app because of the lack of options, but their documentation (while done really well so far) isn’t fleshed out yet.

      Lemmy’s Documentation is very confusing to me as someone still learning to program (does it get better when you are more experienced???), but it’s definitely a lot more fleshed out, so that’s why I’m attempting to make just another Lemmy client looool

      • @[email protected]
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        Hi, currently three years into a job title that indicates I program for a living (it sounds more like I’m a manager). I do Python professionally and work on learning C. It… it kinds gets worse, if you go this far, but you’re more able to handle it.

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    I’m about to launch a Lemmy app (by Monday, my friend yelled at me when he found out I’d been using it exclusively for weeks without putting up a beta), and kbin support is on my to-do list.

    Frankly, I started using Lemmy, saw this could be the thing I’ve been waiting for, and decided the edges were too rough. So I made the app I always wanted for Reddit with the goal of using multiple servers, multiple accounts seamlessly. My guiding philosophy is making the client into another layer of federation,

    I checked out the kbin docs and I can probably knock it out in a couple days, I’ve got abstraction layers to handle different versions and forks of Lemmy… Head over to [email protected] and let me know this is something people want and I’ll put it higher on the priority list

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      Artemis developer said they’re gonna public source the code soonand their app supports both Lemmy and Kbin, which might help you with Kbin support. Just a suggestion, I know nothing about how code works, though.

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      If you add support for kbin, you’ll probably going to add support for kbin’s microblogging feature. If you added support for kbin’s microblogging, might as well add mastodon support. Heck, might as well add pixelfed support to the mix, why not? Voila, now you have a super federated app.

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    It’s not 3rd party app developers fault that kbin didn’t have any stable api yet. Now that they fast track the api development, I think we can expect more 3rd party apps coming soon.

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    Kbin should have prioritised their API rather than adding microblogging to a platform that didn’t need it.

    • @[email protected]
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      The addition of microblogging is the main draw for me

      I just want to be able to browse lemmy/kbin and mastodon with a single login

    • @[email protected]
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      I heard Tildes discourages app development because they think apps go against the purpose of the site.

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        It’s on the internet, it exists to be modified. Tis the law.

        With that said, if I heard that, I’d either do things low profile or I’d not do it at all, because at any point the devs can just intentionally ruin whatever you use to make your app work. And low profile isn’t an option, RiF’s dev will always have at least a couple hundred who will try whatever they make, day 1. In their shoes, I would contact the Tildes dev directly and ask where we stand, then go forward with blessing, or leave.

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          I tried Tildes out, but I am not very active on there. I don’t think it is what I was looking for when leaving Reddit.

  • VM_Abrantes
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    Whoever ends up doing so should set up the interface so that Lemmy posts are blue and kbin posts green, that way Lemmy users can downvote us and call us poor.

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      You could hack that into most lemmy clients right now, with either a manual kbin list or one automatically populated by querying the instances api directly.

      I recommend forking liftoff and calling it lMessage, l for liftoff or lemmy, and message because now you can message all those pesky kbin users that they should bin their kbin and join a real instance

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    These things take time and once KBin releases its API, the mobile apps will start flowing.

    I’m pretty excited for that and will give KBin a try once that happens.

    • @[email protected]
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      How do you like connect? I’ve been using Jerboa but wouldn’t mind checking some others apps out

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        personally it is kinda superior to Jerboa, since it has a feature that is my favourite: keyword filter, but also i can browse instances that can be defederated from each other, all the fediverse in one app: could even browse hexbear.net (which is not federated with anyone yet), kbin.social, …all on the app (and can browse instances as a guest without an account, which makes things way eaiser. unlimited block list. no bugs. it was suggested to me and i keep suggesting it for others since i didnt regret using it.

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        I went from Jerboa, then Connect for a while, then Liftoff, and now I sometimes use Thunder.

        Liftoff is currently my most used app though.