after St. Louis police unions instructed officers to publicly display The Punisher’s insignia (the mark of a lawless, fascist murderer) the comic book community was quick to point out the stupidity, and the frankly horrifying message sent by supposed peace officers endorsing a maniac. So it’s a good thing The Punisher personally confirms he hates cops who see him as a friend… making every cop who “wears his mark” or calls themselves a “fan” look like shameful fool in the process.

– Andrew Dyce, The Punisher Confirms: He HATES Cops Who Support Him

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    Mate you are weirdly defensive, no one is drawing character conclusions about Superman the video is specifically about modern day portrayals of superheroes he makes it clear like multiple times.

    The punisher self appoints himself as judge jury and executioner that is very much fascistic, maybe you are not exactly clear of what fascism is after all.

    In my opinion Cops like the Punisher because they see themselves as above others (the core tenet of fascism) as enforcers of the law who sometimes have to go beyond what’s allowed to ensure safety of others and a lot of them have racial biases to put it mildly making them more than just fascist adjacent.

    Now since you are only familiar with the Thomas Jane version that’s just a revenge story as you yourself said, I’d recommend checking out Daredevil, In season 2 Punisher comes in and then there is an excellent Punisher standalone series on Netflix, where the first season is better than the second.

    Now since they want the character to be likeable he does stuff like fucking up a pedophile because well who is gonna have an issue with that. But that really is just a few steps away from punsihing black and other minority criminals which is what cops see themselves doing.

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      I’m defensive specifically about the points we’re talking about, and yes, people are drawing specifically historically and culturally incorrect character conclusions about Superman as explained in that simplistic video.

      There isn’t anything weird about mentioning the specific examples that refute llogical supplemental materials that draw incorrect conclusions about the personality of certain characters.

      I do agree that it seems like you don’t understand what fascism is, because you keep describing vigilanteism as if it is the same thing as fascism, while vigilanteism is almost diametrically opposed to fascism.

      Fascism is the employment of a governmental body to enact a singular governmental perspective within which no participant may disagree, legally, societally, or civilly.

      The punisher is a lone vigilante uninterested in controlling anything, singularly focused on revenge for specific injustices.

      It’s just not the same thing.

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        Vigilantism definitely shares traits with fascism.

        Fascism is the employment of a governmental body to enact a singular governmental perspective within which no participant may disagree, legally, societally, or civilly.

        I mean that’s just hilariously wrong, it implies there are is no fascism if the government isn’t fascist.

        What you described is totalitarianism

        a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state.

        Which is an aspect of fascism but not the definition.

        Here this guy does a good job of describing white fascism:

        https://youtu.be/5Luu1Beb8ng?si=_UUSGCcbx99A6ilM

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          It is absolutely the definition.

          You’re linking a subjective, loosely interpreted editorial of what racist fascim could present as, given 22 minutes to slog along another conclusion-driven narrative (which I watched, again), while I am providing a synopsis of the actual definition:

          “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition”

          Fascism is a governmental body taking control of society, disallowing individual thought and behavior.

          As I said.

          The punisher is uninterested in running an autocratic government that controls other people via oppression.

          That makes him, definitively, not a fascist.

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            bruh

            your own quote

            a political philosophy, movement, or regime

            and then you go

            Fascism is a governmental body

            you literally just contradicted your own definition you quoted

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              Hey, you provided a dismissive, mediocre effort to enter into debate, and that’s what counts.

              No worries.

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                I decided i am done with your stupidity, but then I went back and edited it one last time to show how stupid you are, feel free to read the comment above yours again

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                  No thanks. As long as you are giving up on your facile and so far fruitless efforts to discredit…definitions, I’m not going to bolster your false arguments for you.

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                    That’s the only one who discredited definitions is you, with your own quote, you absolute donut, lmao

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                Hey, you provided a dismissive, mediocre effort to enter into debate, and that’s what counts.

                Getting very much a chess playing pigeon vibe from you mate.

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                whoa, it turns out you’re a condescending asshole in all of your comments!?!!

                what a surprise!!!

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                  You do share quite a bit with assholes I’ve talked to before.

                  I wouldn’t say it’s a surprise, though.