People will chase you out of the room if you say you’re not voting for Biden for funding a genocide. Because “Trump very bad”. Watch ME get chased out, too, now. Lol
Yeah, because that’s stupid. Not voting for Biden makes a Trump win that much more likely and if you think he’s not gonna fund genocide, you might actually be living in an alternate reality. He’ll also do his level best to ensure Russia takes over Ukraine, hurt women domestically, do as much damage to the LGBTQ+ community as possible, trash the economy for anyone not ultra wealthy, and so on. It’s not an exaggeration to say that a second Trump presidency would be catastrophic, but hey, you show Biden on this one issue, buddy. Good for you for not being able to see the bigger picture and sticking to your principles at the expense of a lot of other people.
Trump would 1000% be worse, but the silver lining of him becoming president is that liberals would suddenly have enough of a spine to say that genocide is a bad thing since trump would be at the helm instead of biden.
Because people who say they’re not voting for Biden because of the genocide are almost never Trump voters in the first place, so Trump isn’t losing anything.
So your problem is voter engagement, if you won’t work on a better candidate, then you better work on getting people who don’t mind supporting genocidal actions on your team.
You guys don’t want to run a better candidate, so you better start appealing to the lowest common denominator that you can.
Maybe offer them money, every time I hear about Biden’s actions supporting genocidal actions someone brings up the economy.
Maybe you should just bribe them, it shouldn’t be that hard for you to find people that care more about money than human lives on your side
I mean don’t support genocide ever I don’t care what your two choices heart if your choices are supporting genocide in supporting genocide, then you don’t participate in that system.
Then maybe next time people will be sick of the shit show that happens whenever they support a genocide and not do it again so they’ll have support of y’know regular people.
If you’re American you have to vote for either Trump or Biden though, you don’t have the luxury of voting neither… in a two party system an abstention equals a vote for the winner.
Yeah, Biden funds a genocide in Palestine. Trump would do the same (he did move the embassy to Jerusalem…) plus ALSO aiding the genocide in Ukraine as he is already doing with his aid cockblock policy.
There are times when the genocide supporter is the lesser evil. I don’t envy your country one bit.
You are right about supporting the lesser evil. Even so not voting literally does not tally your vote for any candidate. In a metaphoric sense, it could be interpreted that way by media outlets and others with a political agenda.
But in a two party system the winner is decided by the difference between the two parties’ votes, so if A gets 20 and B gets 25 those 5 votes were decisive.
Not voting, in this system, equals to voting for B: had you voted for A, the advantage would have been 4 instead of 5. By not voting as opposed to voting A, the advantage is 5 rather than 4 - that is, by not voting you effectively gave one vote of advantage to B.
Again, not because your abstinence was actually counted for B, but because your lack of vote helped the advantage grow bigger. If Trump wins it will be also because of you.
That’s cope though… as they are not going to get nearly enough votes to win, those candidates are irrelevant. It’s stupid but that is how it is. A vote for them is functionally speaking the same as not voting. Like yeah sure you’ll have “sent a message”, but it’s still a virtual vote for the winner. And you don’t get to complain about him: you could have helped by voting for the other one.
It sucks that you have to choose the lesser of only two evils (assuming your vote even counts, because lol electoral college) but that is the American way.
the only message sent by a vote is “this is who I want to win”. if you want the genocide enablers to win, you can vote for them. if you want the law and order candidates to win, vote for them.
I’m voting for Genocide Joe. I’ve entertained voting for third party, but the the threat of fascism under Trump is real . I understand the sentiment, and can’t fault those who choose to abstain or vote third party. But a Trump presidency would effect the entire world and lead to more deaths.
People will chase you out of the room if you say you’re not voting for Biden for funding a genocide. Because “Trump very bad”. Watch ME get chased out, too, now. Lol
Yeah, because that’s stupid. Not voting for Biden makes a Trump win that much more likely and if you think he’s not gonna fund genocide, you might actually be living in an alternate reality. He’ll also do his level best to ensure Russia takes over Ukraine, hurt women domestically, do as much damage to the LGBTQ+ community as possible, trash the economy for anyone not ultra wealthy, and so on. It’s not an exaggeration to say that a second Trump presidency would be catastrophic, but hey, you show Biden on this one issue, buddy. Good for you for not being able to see the bigger picture and sticking to your principles at the expense of a lot of other people.
Trump would 1000% be worse, but the silver lining of him becoming president is that liberals would suddenly have enough of a spine to say that genocide is a bad thing since trump would be at the helm instead of biden.
And not voting for trump makes a Biden victory more likely.
Why do y’all always leave out that part?
Because people who say they’re not voting for Biden because of the genocide are almost never Trump voters in the first place, so Trump isn’t losing anything.
Because people that don’t like trump will be more likely to not vote at all than republicans.
So your problem is voter engagement, if you won’t work on a better candidate, then you better work on getting people who don’t mind supporting genocidal actions on your team.
You guys don’t want to run a better candidate, so you better start appealing to the lowest common denominator that you can.
Maybe offer them money, every time I hear about Biden’s actions supporting genocidal actions someone brings up the economy.
Maybe you should just bribe them, it shouldn’t be that hard for you to find people that care more about money than human lives on your side
If you are voting for Trump then you are supporting genocidal actions as well, what do you mean?
You don’t see a third option that doesn’t involve supporting a genocide?
I mean don’t support genocide ever I don’t care what your two choices heart if your choices are supporting genocide in supporting genocide, then you don’t participate in that system.
Then maybe next time people will be sick of the shit show that happens whenever they support a genocide and not do it again so they’ll have support of y’know regular people.
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>Every Biden vote cancels a trump vote. But every trump vote doesn’t necessarily cancel a Biden vote.
this has no internal logical consistency
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If you’re American you have to vote for either Trump or Biden though, you don’t have the luxury of voting neither… in a two party system an abstention equals a vote for the winner.
Yeah, Biden funds a genocide in Palestine. Trump would do the same (he did move the embassy to Jerusalem…) plus ALSO aiding the genocide in Ukraine as he is already doing with his aid cockblock policy.
There are times when the genocide supporter is the lesser evil. I don’t envy your country one bit.
You are right about supporting the lesser evil. Even so not voting literally does not tally your vote for any candidate. In a metaphoric sense, it could be interpreted that way by media outlets and others with a political agenda.
Yeah of course it does not actually tally +1.
But in a two party system the winner is decided by the difference between the two parties’ votes, so if A gets 20 and B gets 25 those 5 votes were decisive.
Not voting, in this system, equals to voting for B: had you voted for A, the advantage would have been 4 instead of 5. By not voting as opposed to voting A, the advantage is 5 rather than 4 - that is, by not voting you effectively gave one vote of advantage to B.
Again, not because your abstinence was actually counted for B, but because your lack of vote helped the advantage grow bigger. If Trump wins it will be also because of you.
i fully expect to have other options on my ballot
That’s cope though… as they are not going to get nearly enough votes to win, those candidates are irrelevant. It’s stupid but that is how it is. A vote for them is functionally speaking the same as not voting. Like yeah sure you’ll have “sent a message”, but it’s still a virtual vote for the winner. And you don’t get to complain about him: you could have helped by voting for the other one.
It sucks that you have to choose the lesser of only two evils (assuming your vote even counts, because lol electoral college) but that is the American way.
>you’ll have “sent a message”
the only message sent by a vote is “this is who I want to win”. if you want the genocide enablers to win, you can vote for them. if you want the law and order candidates to win, vote for them.
a vote for them is not functionally the same as not-voting. it counts for them. suggesting it doesn’t is just more election misinformation.
> you don’t get to complain
stop me
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> no one is going to care about what you think down the road when you’re complaining about a problem you did nothing to stop.
i do a lot more than vote, but voting against genocide isn’t doing “nothing” to stop it.
There is no genocide from Biden. Stop with that bullshit man. You need a new bit.
there is a genocide. stop with that bullshit man. you need a new bit.
They will exist in name only. They’re not real candidates.
they’ll really be on my ballot.
You can write in “Mickey Mouse” if you want to, same effect
no. writing in mickey mouse is a vote for Mickey mouse. I want to vote for Cornel West or Jill Stein. you’re spreading election misinformation
Don’t forget Claudia De la Cruz.
I am suspicious of psl
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more election misinformation.
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I’m voting for Genocide Joe. I’ve entertained voting for third party, but the the threat of fascism under Trump is real . I understand the sentiment, and can’t fault those who choose to abstain or vote third party. But a Trump presidency would effect the entire world and lead to more deaths.
It’s probably because it’s hard to take them seriously when they’re supporting Russia perpetrating a genocide on Ukraine
no one is supporting that