• DingoBilly@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    From what I understand it’s a pretty shit system that doesn’t work that well.

    From the example posted here, it’d be extremely trivial to set up a system that doesn’t deduct points because you paid off a debt. That makes zero sense.

    Some dude may have come up with a basic model 20 years ago but it needs updating - any half decent data scientist at this stage would be able to build a better system.

    • TheIllustrativeMan@lemmy.world
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      5 months ago

      A lot of the FICO scores (there are different scores for different things) don’t ding you for it, but most of the monitoring apps use Vantage.

      I find the difference between my FICO 8 and Vantage 3 to be as much as 100 points. Most people seem to have higher Vantage scores, but my FICO tends to be higher. They’re different companies that use different systems.

    • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip
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      5 months ago

      It only negatively impacts your credit score if you are a bad credit customer.

      A good credit customer with low credit would be one that has a few credit cards. They likely have a low limit because they have poor credit…say $750 each on three cards. A good credit customer would not let the balance exceed 1/3 to 1/2 of the limit, and pay the statement balance in full.

      Now, suppose this person has these cards for one year, and another person with no credit cards or history, buy a 36 month car loan valued at $5000. To make the math simple I’ll say 0 interest, it doesn’t really matter for this level of explanation.

      Customer A understands the game. They do exactly what they are supposed to, and are rewarded with a better reputation with the creditors, as well as a higher limit on their cards…lets say $2000 (though being a good credit consumer, they still do not charge more than they can afford to pay each month, and keep their balances under 1/3).

      At the 35th month of this car loan, Customer A has:

      • 4 accounts total - three credit cards that are ~48 months old, and one car loan that is ~36 months old. Average age of accounts is 57 months.
      • A total available credit of $11,000 (the 5k loan and three 2k cards), with a total reportable balance of $139 (the last car payment).

      Meanwhile customer B has:

      • One account that is ~36 months old. Average age of accounts is 36 months.
      • A total available credit of $5000 with a reportable balance of $139.

      Right off the bat, Customer A is looking like a far safer customer to lend money to.

      At the 36th month, Customer A has:

      • Three open accounts that are 49 months old and one closed account that is 36 months old. Average age of accounts is 58 months. Still trending up.
      • A total available credit of $6000 with a reportable balance of $0.

      Customer B has:

      • No open accounts and a closed account that is 36 months old. Average age of accounts is 36. Now stagnant.
      • A total available credit if $0 with a reportable balance of $0.

      At the 40th month, customer A has:

      • Three open accounts that are 53 months old and one closed account that is 36 months old. Average age of accounts is 62 months. Still trending up.
      • A total available credit of $6000 with a reportable balance of $0.

      Customer B has not changed.

      It’s not that Customer B did anything wrong by laying their bill on time, it’s more like a divide-by-zero error. The sole source of information on their credit reputation has stopped reporting information and reported that they have ended their business relationship on good terms.

      Had customer B been more like customer A (and honestly, those rules aren’t that hard to stick to…don’t charge too much and pay it off every month. That’s a very low bar to set for responsibility), it would be a little blip on their report that would even out over a few months. But because they didn’t, there is no new information coming in about their behavior as a credit customer. For the lenders, they aren’t following “no news is good news”. They need data to show that you are still willing to play by a very simple set of rules.