Hello! I would like to start off by apologizing because I know a thread like this gets posted every other day and it can border on (or actually be) concern-trolling, but I wanted to get a rough survey of opinions here on a topic.
Specifically, do you have any criticisms of China’s contemporary culture? Its government? What are they?
I’m of the opinion that there are a lot of low-hanging fruit in this regard, like the patriarchal social order that [whatever one might say about its status in other nations] is certainly an ongoing problem for the matter of women’s liberation. I also think it’s both socially backwards and bad for national security to not have gay marriage, because we’re all familiar with how the US loves infiltrating student movements.
I also rather regret how the CPC seems to be trending towards expanding the role of the profit motive rather than shrinking it. See these statements:
http://en.qstheory.cn/2023-05/04/c_882761.htm
http://en.qstheory.cn/2023-05/05/c_882998.htm
Do you agree with these points? Do you have your own criticisms? Am I totally off-base? Let me know!
(btw I’m also familiar with the idea of sharing criticism with comrades but finding public criticism to be counter-productive, but I don’t want to spend all day listing caveats)
could you give PPP gdp? also, I don’t think GDP is a great stat for this, it’s always going to underestimate planned economies, they don’t do all the financial mumbo jumbo shit.
I just thought too, we really need to look at what the trajectory of their economy from after they fixed all their shit from the great leap forward to when the reforms started.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_past_and_projected_GDP_(PPP)
I’m not sure why, but I keep getting access denied every time I explore the source for the data (IMF)… Anyway, according to the link above, it was a little bit over $300 billion. Not much higher than the nominal GDP.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.PP.CD?locations=CN
There’s also this link, but the data begins from 1990; but the point is clear - China’s rapid prosperity really only began well after the reforms and opening up began.
I should add that Mao-era China created a healthy and educated population, but the reforms and opening up massively increased the nation’s industrial capabilities.
but it didn’t truly take off until the 2000’s, I want to see the path that China’s economy was taking before the reforms, idk how we would find that
Take a look at the first link. The GDP PPP wasn’t much higher than the nominal GDP back then; as I have already shown you.
The data starts from 1960, 11 or so years after the founding of the PRC, but we can already see that the economy was incredibly small and only marginally increased until - like we have said - the reforms and opening up truly began to accelerate starting from the 1990s and 2000s.
Now, China’s nominal GDP is only about $18 trillion but the GDP PPP is about $34 trillion! This could not have been done if the socialist market economy was not introduced.
Why could the USSR do it but not China? I understand that China was not quite as resource rich in some ways but it wasn’t exactly a starved small nation like say Vietnam
Do what? The USSR was barely an economic threat to the US, and ultimately ceased to exist.
The PRC has not only survived the endless waves of imperialist sabotage, but also thrived. It is, without a doubt, the most prosperous country in the world, and those gains could not have been made without the socialist market economy.
What? even going by GDP it was by far the 2nd largest economy which Like I said I think fucking sucks when measuring planned economies, and it collapsed because of the ideological rot of pizza man and his pizza co conspirators (+no automated computer economy
I think they mean that the USSR managed to bankroll entire socialist countries and survive without seemingly as many capitalist reforms as the PRC
Sorry but do what exactly?
grow their economy to rival the US using planning, even using GDP it was the 2nd largest economy in the world by far
China did try the stalin model during Mao’s era which only lead to new contradictions between private labour and socialized appropriation bc of its underdeveloped productive forces.
just nationalizing every industry dont make sense economically when large scale industry is the basis for socialism. Therefore, abolishing markets in sectors of the economy which still are highly competitive is nonsensical and would lead to enormous economic inefficiencies.
The inherent implication of this is that a Marxist party should not abolish private property in onestroke. This is a common misconception. A Marxist party should instead utilize markets in an efficient way in order to develop the economy as rapidly as possible. Complete abolition would require incredibly high levels of economic development which humanity has yet to realize.
these two are a must read if u wanna understand this
a short introductory work that will clear some of your economic misconceptions
Aimxin directly discussing ab this topic
Hope this helps!
Hey it’s easier to parse through if you do those long quotes with a > at the beginning
.> like do this without the .
Thanks a ton for all the info, this is more what I was looking for