Well timber can. Our timber industry is already getting creamed. They JUST shut down another pulp milll last week here in bc and logging is in a death spiral. Fertilizer less so but we’re not going to keep our economy going on fertilizer and oil.

And the problem isn’t just trump, we’ve had 5 consecutive quarters… that’s QUARTERS mind you not months, of more business investment leaving canada than staying and it looks like this quarter is going to be the same… And the kick in the teeth is that pre dates trump. We were already weak to begin with. Now trump has made it worse and he knows very well that it doesn’t take much at this point to make our economy take a nose dive.

This guy wants us poor and collapsing so that he can take over, actually take over if possible and financially take over if not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zttOoJwvi6A https://nationalnewswatch.com/2026/07/16/we-paid-for-the-bridge-now-were-paying-the-toll

I can post about a dozen more if you need to.

Turns out your no name influencer was wrong. The deal was leaked to boomberg and it does NOT include payment on the interest to the debt which carney had suggested, and it’s a worse deal for us than we had. Mark Carney caved And gave a better deal to the president instead of standing up for Canada. As he has done many times in the past.

Well I’m sure the Prime Minister appreciates you’re desperate efforts on his behalf to justify his actions against Canadian interests the facts are the facts

I don’t think you get how it works. The American stop buying our products and start looking for other products. But most importantly a lot of the goods and services that are manufactured in Canada only are able to do so because they sell to America so when Americans stop buying that product it’s cheaper and easier for those companies to just set up in America instead.

Trump knows this very well. More tariffs cripples are economy and prevents the investment we need to stay competitive or become competitive as we’ve fallen behind

This is just another excuse to try and bankrupt us to try and encourage us to become the 51st state

Do you think Carney’s going to do that? Carnie who’s giving trump everything he’s asked for so far and just caved on the Gordie Howe Bridge? Why do you think trump is doing this, he knows he can get whatever he wants at a Carney and look like a hero

This confirms my long held belief that hedgehogs would be fun at parties. They’d be like little mobile snack trays

Unfortunately due to the trade barriers we have between provinces it’s unlikely that it would be replaced by local consumption. In fact even if there were no trade barriers in Canada it would be tough but the way things are there’s no chance.

This was something carney talked about during the election and promised he would work on, he held one meeting with the provinces to see about coming to an agreement and then he just abandoned it. If he had spent as much time working with the provinces as he has with other countries we would probably be further ahead

The government has done nothing to move projects forward unfortunately. The closest that come is this supposed pipeline project but they’re now talking about using government money which completely defeats the purpose. We can’t borrow enough money to support an economy, sooner or later that leads to a collapse

Unless something radically changes in the near future as far as our direction we will face severe economic hardship and it will be extremely difficult to recover. We are not building maybe bill as he promised, we have not eliminated into provincial trade is he suggested, and our businesses are fleeing to the states along with our investment, I think we’re into our 6th street quarter of business investment loss in Canada having already completed five? That predates Trump and we can’t be losing business investment like that

We’re in real trouble. It’s not short-term trouble our infrastructure for providing economic growth is eroding at an enormous rate and it is insanely hard to replace that once it’s gone

Reading the comments I don’t think people understand what’s involved here.

The companies are moving to the states because that’s where the majority of their customers are. Which means it’s not viable for them to stay in Canada and only sell to Canadian markets.

Which means nobody’s going to be replacing these businesses. We’re talking about hundreds of thousands of jobs that will be lost with no replacement.

The state can’t nationalize them, the workers can’t take them over, they’re just not viable as businesses anymore.

And all those businesses and all the people that work for those businesses pay taxes. Which means we’re going to have less and less money to provide services the people who are poor etc

This isn’t about giving states our money, this is about us not having any money anymore. I think people need to wake up to the reality of how serious this is

There does seem to be a certain amount of that and some of the communities. I feel like people are too sensitive but I don’t want to say that too loudly or I might get banned

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The beings are finite but the wealth is not. I don’t know how to explain this more simply. If you fall into the ocean there’s only so much water you can drink so your ability is finite but from a practical point of view the water is infant.

This is extremely simple, the point is the limit is the person not the wealth

And no I’m just trying to find a way to explain it to you that will make it easier for you to get your head around. Honestly I’ve never had this kind of trouble explaining this concept to someone. My mother gets this.

Bottom line is that your lack of wealth is not because somebody else is hoarding wealth.

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No it’s not, god it’s like talking to A four-year-old.

The wealth is infinite. There can’t be a shortage of it. Our capacity can be limited. Therefore when we’re talking about the real world that we live in it is dumb to talk about wealth as if there’s a shortage and it makes sense to discuss capacity to create wealth.

Can you just not smart enough to have this conversation I’m sorry. I’m trying my best here but you keep making statements that are absolutely asinine because you have fallen in love with this idea that somehow there’s this limited supply of wealth out there and someone’s hoarding it and that’s why you don’t have any. That’s just not how it works

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That’s basic economics. Had you gone to a real school to study this stuff you might have realized it. Wealth is infinite, our capacity to generate it is limited. Your comment is no different than if somebody were to say there is a finite amount of kinetic energy in the universe. That’s just not how it works

I know the wealthy aren’t taking any resources from the rest of us. Wealthier in a position where they can create wealth at a higher and more effective rate. But interestingly enough that wealth creation actually benefits us and we make more than we would have as a result of it, not less

I’m afraid if you’re poor it’s your own damn fault you can’t blame it on anyone else. You have every bit as much of potential to increase your wealth and become extremely wealthy as anyone else and if that was your primary focus in life you could certainly do that. While it takes a lot of work it’s not terribly hard.

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You have a fundamentally flawed view of what wealth is. Well isn’t a thing. It’s not like there’s a limited amount of wealthonium in the world and whoever holds it gets it and nobody else does. That’s not how it works.

Wealth is created through activity. Without the activity there is no wealth. Therefore the supply of wealth is endless, the problems usually come with limits or issues with the activity

So no, increasing wealth inequity is not the issue. The issue is that people are struggling harder and harder to be able to do enough activity that’s worth enough value to be able to get what they want. That’s true whether there are wealthy people or not

So the underlying issue is that the middle class and poor class aren’t able to create enough wealth to meet their needs and that has nothing to do with the wealthy. You don’t address that by worrying about what the wealthier doing, you address that by creating more opportunity for the middle class and the poor. And funny enough to do that you need the help of the wealthy which they are more than happy to give if they feel that it will be successful

Right now the tax burden and other burdens on the middle class prevent any disposable income or time that would allow for them to increase the value of their skills or begin to acquire assets and that is the problem. The wealthy are not excited about starting new businesses or educational opportunities that would fix this because they see the country as failing

And no reactionary politics does not follow from financial systems in the slightest.

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