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  • Russia still has ‘Visa’ and ‘Mastercard’ branded cards, they just use local payment rails instead. Even before 2022 this was the case for local transactions albeit less so.

    VISA/MC have advantage that you can use them for foreign transactions, it’s widely accepted provided your country isn’t sanctioned. So a hybrid approach like what Russia did between 2014-2022 may be good for Europe. Worst case, US sanctions you and you lose ability to do some foreign currency transactions, but Euro and similar transactions work just fine.

    But I know its legally and politically difficult in Europe. Even the CBDC plan listed in the article has banks pissed about losing deposits from their balance sheet to the Central Bank (since Digital Euros are central bank liabilities) and fees.

    That’s why

    Despite the substantial progress, two major issues remain: ‘holding limits’ and ‘compensation’. Holding limits determine the maximum amount users can keep in a digital euro wallet, while compensation mechanisms concern the fee models for commercial banks that provide digital euro services.

    to prevent too much deposit flight, and btw you won’t get paid ECB interest rate with CBDC unlike the banks who hold reserves.

    and VISA/MC cards still have two other advantages. i. it’s widely accepted worldwide, you can use it for foreign exchange. ii. chargebacks are possible. The latter can be fixed with locally branded cards (eg Russia has Mir) or I suppose CBDC can be made to support it, but does the EU want to?



  • The question to be asked is where the countries are getting the Yuan from. Not whether the trade is settled in Yuan.

    Natural way of obtaining Yuan would be i. China has a trade deficit with your country ii. China buys your assets/give you Yuan. For many countries neither is the case, or at the least the latter isn’t sufficient to cover their trade deficit. So, the other way is exporting to other countries with which Yuan has enough liquidity with (Dollar, Euro, Pound) and exchanging it for Yuan.

    The reason why China Russia trade works so well is because they both want each others real goods (for China, mainly oil), and Russia wants to accumulate Yuan, get Chinese goods. China Iran trade works well too, China wants crude, Iran wants Yuan both for importing from other countries and China and to accumulate as reserves.

    If your country has a trade deficit with China (ie your country can’t provide what China wants), if you didn’t export to others ie countries excl China/didn’t obtain capital flows from others, your trade with China will be limited to the amount of Yuan you can obtain by exporting to China (much lower than what you are currently importing), via remittances (not a lot), net income, capital flows from China.

    There’s some good parts such as Chinese loans, investments and so on which finance part of it but not enough to cover trade deficits as they currently exist.


  • The irony is all the countries have to swap their own currency for Dollars in the forex market, then swap those for Yuan (alternatively swap Dollar reserves they hold for Yuan) to pay the toll. So, the actual ‘source’ for earning Yuan is via Dollars which countries get by exporting to the US or capital flows from the US.

    True de-dollarization would involve China supplying the world with Yuan via trade deficits (not what China wants) or capital flows (eg. Chinese Gov or private sector buys shares or debt abroad using Yuan, they’ll have to create a window for all this).

    Iran could also ask foreigners to pay the toll in Iranian Rial, the underlying effect is similar, countries swap their Dollars for Yuan (whichever currencies have liquidity against Rial), or the Central Bank themselves accepts these and provides Rial at rate they fix (the Central Bank can always provide Rial), the CB path will be likely one since Iranian Rial doesn’t have deep forex markets.