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  • The premise is - you fucking can’t. It acts ex-act-ly like the real thing, and for all the same reasons

    You literally made the simulation, so yes you can tell the difference. And the math is inevitably different, because the math of the simulation includes the math which defines the different substrate. So it is physically different, a different thing. Assume whatever you want, but in the end it is a physically different thing, and it takes different math to fully describe it. We only know for sure that conscious experience happens with this substrate.

    Fuck off

    k

    Dog-torturing prejudice.

    k

    fuck off again

    good bye




  • Simulating physics from first principles is not “mimicking human behavior.”

    Our “first principles” are knowledge, not a new universe. You’re not absolutely re-creating the entirety of reality. You’re making a model that is useful, something that is “good enough” that it will produce outputs that can be used to roughly predict the outcome of real processes.

    You think an entire simulated human being, that acts exactly like a living person for the same underlying reasons, must be different - somehow

    No matter how detailed your simulation is, it’s still physically different. You’re admitting this every time you call it a simulation. You can tell the difference between a simulation and the thing it’s simulating.

    This is dualism

    No, because I’m saying that consciousness is a physical process. You’re saying that it’s a mathematical process and that the substrate doesn’t matter. I’m saying the substrate is a physical thing, and that consciousness is a physical processes, and so different substrates enable different physical processes. I don’t claim that consciousness comes from some Beyond, or from Heaven, or from God. I’m saying it’s a physical process, and that a simulation is a different physical process, no matter how detailed.