We all know how brain dead education under capitalism which is worse now that Gen Alpha is around. Any possible alternate models outside of cramming a shitload onto 30+ kids only for them to forget it?

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      The way in which many schools operate, and their curriculum, and how they treat kids, are outdated, sure. The notion of schools altogether though, definitely isn’t outdated.

      Online is… possible, but comes with its own issues, the largest of which is the possible lack of socializing as a result. For homeschooling though- hell no, IMO that’s even more outdated than the present issues of the school system and comes with all sorts of issues.

      As someone who was homeschooled a few years here and there- as someone who has seen how rife the abuses were towards others- hell no, homeschooling is deeply, extremely questionable and barring extraordinary circumstances, I don’t even think it should even be legal, and would question any system (such as that of the country I live in) wherein it is easily accessible without demonstrable need and thorough scrutiny. It’s like a breeding ground for abusers, religious nutjobs, and child labor exploitation.

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        To be fair, homeschooling can be done right by genuinely good parents, but I definitely believe it should be rendered obsolete by having much better schools as I have described here, especially since homeschooling gives immense control of a child to parents, even when homeschooling is done right.

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          I agree that homeschooling can be done right- but it requires a considerable amount of knowledge, time, resources, and effort on the parent’s part- as well as, of course, the parent being “genuinely good” and not simply believing themselves to be so.

          I think a majority of the time- perhaps even an overwhelming majority of the time- things don’t add up in such a way in practice. I’ve certainly never seen it IMO. And the risks that come with it tend to far, far outweigh the potential benefits (though I think that it, or at least online schooling, should be an option for niche cases- though alternative school options are still probably preferable even then). Though to be fair- in its implementation here in the west, I’d probably go so far as to say that homeschooling is allowed, specifically to pander to such risks (social ills)- religious fanatics, abusers and control freaks, pseudoscience believers (primarily antivax), and people wanting to wring out free child labor from their kids.

          There are plenty of homeschooling circles just full of this shit and I’ve seen them, other than the antivax I’ve even experienced it all. Even now in my late 20s I have nothing but suspicion for the practice (as flawed as schooling may be as well- which I’ve also experienced) and will probably hold the same strong opinion for life. Should the option remain available? Perhaps, but under lock and key and the strictest possible scrutiny; and even then it should probably be less “homeschooling” and more “community-schooling” as an alternative to “institutional (mainstream)-schooling.” In its present form I think it’s a prime example of the bourgeois, private conceptualization of family in action as Marx called to be abolished.

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      As far as I am concerned schools are bit outdated

      doubt I have seen no reason to think this, and the AES states seem not to have, either.

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      i do not think schools are outdated. they are underfunded and teachers are overworked sure, but the setting of the school is the main environment where a child can socialise and learns to interact with society in general. i am against online and homeschooling because they fail to provide a child with interactions with peers, as well as requiring a lot of efforts from parents (cooking, monitoring, becoming part time teachers) that is just unsustainable on a large scale.