After reading it over and over, I really should have worded it differently. I just wanted to address the idea of equating leaning right and some extreme moron on the right. Just for that person I was replying to though.
What do we on the furthest left want? We want a different economic system, bringing true equity to all people. We believe that no matter what happens we will be forced into violence to achieve this because under absolutely no circumstances will the ruling class give up their power willingly, they will kill us all to stop it, forcing the inevitable violent clash to occur as we’ve seen several times now.
What do those on the furthest right want? The 14 words and a hierarchical patriarchal hell that enslaves everyone outside of straight white males to the benefit of them, and even among them it will be the ruling group only rather than all.
Liberals on the other hand want to maintain the status quo, despite knowing that it is going to destroy the entire planet, and despite knowing that outside of the imperial core life is a living hell under capitalism, where 70% of the world’s population is exploited for the benefit of the cluster of privileged predominantly white global-north countries, typically euphemised in the media as the “international community”.
What do you think of fact that the political center is different at different times and places? Are all of those respective centers correct, is it merely a matter of coincidence that our current center is the Truth, or is this golden mean thinking a load of horseshit?
I did attempt to explain in another post, but I’ll also reply here.
I’m not saying the center is the ideal. I’m not saying people at the edges of the political compass are “extreme”. Being in the center would be like trying to serve the same plate to two different patrons at a restaurant. I personally think you should pick a side and stand up for your ideals.
However, issues that arise should be resolved with critical thinking in mind. Bad faith arguments in an attempt to hold your position is extreme. Ignoring evidence supporting other conclusions is extreme.
I view extremes, in the context of political leanings, as being positions that do not allow for new or competing information. Holding on to a position at any cost, despite evidence of the contrary.
I can “define my terms” for you, but would that really change anything?
I just thought it was a bit funny to see so many replies to such a one-off and throwaway comment.
I do want to know though… is it that everyone thinks I’m a troll? I’m not familiar with this particular instance overall, but I’m not a stranger to general socialist content. I figured it would be understood that “extremes” would refer to political ideology that involves sticking with a party at any cost, without ever thinking critically about the ideology and their positions.
I can “define my terms” for you, but would that really change anything?
why are fascists so unwilling to just define their terms? do you know your terms are explicitly fascist, or have you just never examined the terms some youtubers or whatever handed to you?
“positions that do not allow for competing information” is just hand-waving, you didn’t define shit and you know it
I won’t answer any questions until you answer my simple one. I’m a communist, I’m not afraid to define what I believe in because it’s not horrible, disgusting shit. Fascists have trouble with this because they know their beliefs are repugnant, irrational trash.
By your deffinition of not allowing new competing information, libs fit that definition even more eo than the cretin in the op. And you know? I agree thats the escence of being a reactionary someone who oposes progress.
And by that logic any backward class that oposes progres are extremists and should be removed by force if necesary.
Yes. Regardless of political leaning, disregarding new or competing information on its face is bad. People should be more willing to accept that they can be wrong, or misinformed.
Progress is the goal, and we can’t get there if we aren’t willing to accept the errors we make and correct them.
Even the wealthiest countries in the world have human beings sleeping in the streets, despite also having more than enough resources to guarantee housing for every single person. As far as the law is concerned, the only thing that matters is that these desperate people must not be allowed to break into empty abandoned houses for shelter, as this violates the infinitely more important private property rights of the homeowner to own an empty abandoned house.
“Centrism” is pretty extreme, it just doesn’t feel that way because the horrors are so normalized
This is an excellent way to put it, and another great example of an extreme.
There are people, like in the OP, that hold delusional views on the right. That doesn’t mean everyone is, which was my way of addressing the comment I was replying to.
Refusing to pick a side when there are clear reasons to not be on the right is fucking extreme. I should have included it in my reply, but it was meant to be a quick little one-off and not a deep discussion on extreme politics.
okay but why equivocate between the left and right? you’re painting an equality between people who want to make the world a better place and people who want to be the boot stomping down on faces forever.
in my experience, speaking as a trans person, someone with slightly right leaning opinions wants me and mine to not exist in public and deny that we even exist. that’s a “centrist” position these days. so sorry for being touchy but I think salvaging people like that can only happen by the people close to them pushing them to be a better person. see my comment on civility, point 4, here.
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You say on the socialist instance like a dumbass lmao.
I’ll give you that.
After reading it over and over, I really should have worded it differently. I just wanted to address the idea of equating leaning right and some extreme moron on the right. Just for that person I was replying to though.
The issue is “extremes” (plural).
What do we on the furthest left want? We want a different economic system, bringing true equity to all people. We believe that no matter what happens we will be forced into violence to achieve this because under absolutely no circumstances will the ruling class give up their power willingly, they will kill us all to stop it, forcing the inevitable violent clash to occur as we’ve seen several times now.
What do those on the furthest right want? The 14 words and a hierarchical patriarchal hell that enslaves everyone outside of straight white males to the benefit of them, and even among them it will be the ruling group only rather than all.
Liberals on the other hand want to maintain the status quo, despite knowing that it is going to destroy the entire planet, and despite knowing that outside of the imperial core life is a living hell under capitalism, where 70% of the world’s population is exploited for the benefit of the cluster of privileged predominantly white global-north countries, typically euphemised in the media as the “international community”.
Socialists are the least extreme of these 3.
Leaning right in 2023 is, in fact, an extremely moronic position.
ur on a comm in a revolutionary socialist instance hahaha
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I’m a lemmygrad user it’s a pain to have to go to hexbear, type up point to look through them all, then copy paste back to the other tab
simply copy our emotes to lemmygrad
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Unless thats something hexbear devs are working on, I think it’s pretty much done, I don’t think it’s on the list for dess or nutomic
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Absolutely crying that i am exposed to this kind of posting on hexbear
Tbf this is dunk tank so all the posts here are just like it
Maybe its better viewed as an opportunity
define “extremes”
edit: awwww this one too I wanted to bat them around for a while
They aint banned yet
maybe they’ll be back
Lol
What do you think of fact that the political center is different at different times and places? Are all of those respective centers correct, is it merely a matter of coincidence that our current center is the Truth, or is this golden mean thinking a load of horseshit?
I did attempt to explain in another post, but I’ll also reply here.
I’m not saying the center is the ideal. I’m not saying people at the edges of the political compass are “extreme”. Being in the center would be like trying to serve the same plate to two different patrons at a restaurant. I personally think you should pick a side and stand up for your ideals.
However, issues that arise should be resolved with critical thinking in mind. Bad faith arguments in an attempt to hold your position is extreme. Ignoring evidence supporting other conclusions is extreme.
That kinda shit, you know?
I think the words that more accurately make your point are “dishonest” or "cynical "
That’s much better than the way I put it. Kinda feel like a fucking dumbass
good self crit, stick around and dunk on the libs that come after you
Can’t do the grade school level difficulty job of defining your terms huh
I view extremes, in the context of political leanings, as being positions that do not allow for new or competing information. Holding on to a position at any cost, despite evidence of the contrary.
I can “define my terms” for you, but would that really change anything?
I just thought it was a bit funny to see so many replies to such a one-off and throwaway comment.
I do want to know though… is it that everyone thinks I’m a troll? I’m not familiar with this particular instance overall, but I’m not a stranger to general socialist content. I figured it would be understood that “extremes” would refer to political ideology that involves sticking with a party at any cost, without ever thinking critically about the ideology and their positions.
I hope this clears it up for you.
why are fascists so unwilling to just define their terms? do you know your terms are explicitly fascist, or have you just never examined the terms some youtubers or whatever handed to you?
What in the fuck are you on about lol
I defined the term, and asked if it mattered to you.
You never answered that question either.
“positions that do not allow for competing information” is just hand-waving, you didn’t define shit and you know it
I won’t answer any questions until you answer my simple one. I’m a communist, I’m not afraid to define what I believe in because it’s not horrible, disgusting shit. Fascists have trouble with this because they know their beliefs are repugnant, irrational trash.
I totally understand what you’re saying, and why you want me to define the terms. I really should have worded it differently.
My point was just that someone who has a more right leaning opinion is not the same as the cretin in the OP.
Again, after spending a lot of time re-reading my comment, I just feel like an idiot for not being specific.
By your deffinition of not allowing new competing information, libs fit that definition even more eo than the cretin in the op. And you know? I agree thats the escence of being a reactionary someone who oposes progress.
And by that logic any backward class that oposes progres are extremists and should be removed by force if necesary.
I agree.
Yes. Regardless of political leaning, disregarding new or competing information on its face is bad. People should be more willing to accept that they can be wrong, or misinformed.
Progress is the goal, and we can’t get there if we aren’t willing to accept the errors we make and correct them.
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thank you for coming to the dunk tank for us. it saves us the effort
You saying “say it louder for the people in the back” gives me everything i need to generalize you thanks
define “extremes”
edit: awwwww i wanted to play with this one
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I want to know what issues they lean to the right on. Like, if it’s guns, then they might just be ignorant, maybe.
I just wanted to surprise them with an extreme given the lack of awareness of where they are.
Even the wealthiest countries in the world have human beings sleeping in the streets, despite also having more than enough resources to guarantee housing for every single person. As far as the law is concerned, the only thing that matters is that these desperate people must not be allowed to break into empty abandoned houses for shelter, as this violates the infinitely more important private property rights of the homeowner to own an empty abandoned house.
“Centrism” is pretty extreme, it just doesn’t feel that way because the horrors are so normalized
This is an excellent way to put it, and another great example of an extreme.
There are people, like in the OP, that hold delusional views on the right. That doesn’t mean everyone is, which was my way of addressing the comment I was replying to.
Refusing to pick a side when there are clear reasons to not be on the right is fucking extreme. I should have included it in my reply, but it was meant to be a quick little one-off and not a deep discussion on extreme politics.
okay but why equivocate between the left and right? you’re painting an equality between people who want to make the world a better place and people who want to be the boot stomping down on faces forever.
I should have been more clear on what I meant. Just that having slightly right leaning opinions is not the same as the OP’s insanity.
I really didn’t mean for it to come off that way, so I apologize.
in my experience, speaking as a trans person, someone with slightly right leaning opinions wants me and mine to not exist in public and deny that we even exist. that’s a “centrist” position these days. so sorry for being touchy but I think salvaging people like that can only happen by the people close to them pushing them to be a better person. see my comment on civility, point 4, here.
That’s absolutely a fair point